What are the proposals so far?  Has scope and sequence proposed any themselves?  Are there some relatively acceptable positions in print some where that we can bring to bear on this discussion?  Does the Scope and Sequence committee have a page on the ATEG web site where these things can be posted?  

It might be fun to have a contest and see what sort of proposals we come up with and then have a vote.  

Phil Bralich

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Spruiell, William C" <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Feb 13, 2006 3:39 PM
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>Subject: Re: Linguistic Grammar?
>
>[I'm catching up on my ATEG reading, so apologies in advance if I
>reinvent the wheel. Or if I belabor the obvious, but that's my forte.]
>
>It strikes me that the division is really one between the kind of
>grammar we think of K-12 teachers "doing" (whether they do or not), vs.
>the kind of grammar that linguists consider themselves working on.
>Rather than "linguistic grammar," perhaps "linguists' grammars" would
>work.
>
>Bill Spruiell
>
>Dept. of English
>Central Michigan University
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Eduard C. Hanganu
>Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 3:43 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Linguistic Grammar?
>
>Dear Paul:
>
>The problem is with the lack of a consensus on terminology, and this 
>problem will never go away. Nevertheless, we cannot define something 
>through a pleonasm, which is failed logic. 
>
>Eduard 
>
>
>
>
>On Sun, 12 Feb 2006, Paul E. Doniger wrote...
>
>>If the term is so confusing, then how should we distinguish between 
>a grammar based on the work of linguists and a more traditional 
>grammar? How, for example, would we distinguish between a grammar 
>that refers to say, predicate adjective/predicate nominative and one 
>that refers to subject complements? Traditional grammarians talk 
>about articles while lingusits talk about determiners. Why can't we 
>coin the term Lingusitic Grammar to distinguish the different 
>approach?
>>   
>>  Paul D.
>>
>>"Eduard C. Hanganu" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>  Dear Phil:
>>
>>In "A Student's Dictionary of Language and Linguistics," Trask 
>(1997) 
>>defines *grammar* as "that part of the structure of a language which 
>>includes sentence structure(syntax) and word structure (morphology)" 
>>(p. 29). As linguists well know, *morphology and *syntax* are an 
>>integral and part of the science of language, which is 
>*linguistics.* 
>>
>>The term *linguistic grammar* is not a linguistic expression.It is a 
>>pleonasm, a redundant expression, which confuses those who are not 
>>familiar with linguistics and its subfields. 
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Eduard 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Sat, 11 Feb 2006, Phil Bralich wrote...
>>
>>>I have been in grammar/syntax for over 25 years, but it is only on 
>>this list that I have heard of "Linguistic Grammar." Are there 
>>formal descriptions and discussion of it available in journals and 
>>books? Are there recognized authors on the subject? Also, does 
>>anyone know where I might get a copy of Tim Hadley's dissertation? 
>>>
>>>Phil Bralich
>>
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