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The greatest problems with the project on attitudes about grammar are
structuring the questionnaire and selecting the population, with the 
former being the more difficult to accomplish without interjecting
bias into the format.  I would seek other studies on attitude to get
a idea of the problems.  Just this year someone on a major newspaper
(I do not remember which) was pondering the same issue.  He divided 
his sample into two equal parts and asked the first group one way and 
the second group  the other way--and got quite opposite results.
Scott

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Date:    Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:04:35 -0600
From:    "Katz, Seth" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: attitudes about grammar

Dear Friends:
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A student in my introduction to language course wants to do her final =
project on people's attitudes about grammar.  Has anyone studied and =
published work on why people love--or fear--or loathe grammar? Can =
anyone point us to research on the topic? =20
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Thanks--
Seth
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Dr. Seth Katz=20
Assistant Professor
Department of English
Bradley University
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Date:    Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:10:06 EST
From:    Edgar Schuster <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: attitudes about grammar

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I once asked a group of "low-track" high schoolers to tell me---in 
writing---about their experiences with English language arts through their
eleven years 
of schooling.   One student wrote, "There isn't enough variety for how there

is to learn it.   We keep doing the same thing too much."   When I later
asked 
him what "it" meant, he answered in one word:   "Grammar."
This little experiment would have taken place in the early 80s in a district

that never left Warriner's textbooks.   Lest we forget, the 1977 edition of 
that series broke all its previous sales records.

Ed Schuster


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Date:    Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:09:22 -0500
From:    Nancy Tuten <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: attitudes about grammar

An honors student at the college where I teach is doing a senior project in
which she is surveying English language arts teachers across our state to
see (1) how much grammar they teach (and how--in response to errors in
papers? through isolated instruction?), (2) how they felt about learning
grammar when they were students, (3) how they feel about grammar now, and
(4) how prepared they feel they are to teach grammar. It isn't a highly
scientific study, but I'm sure she would be happy to share what she finds
out. 

That's only part of her project; the main part is a summary of the history
of grammar instruction in this country--a brief review of the grammar wars
along with an annotated bibliography that she can share with other education
majors (and we have many).  I'm sure many of you will be cited in her paper!

Best,
Nancy

Nancy L. Tuten, PhD
Professor of English
Director of the Writing-across-the-Curriculum Program
Columbia College
Columbia, South Carolina
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803-786-3706

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Subject: attitudes about grammar

Dear Friends:
 
A student in my introduction to language course wants to do her final
project on people's attitudes about grammar.  Has anyone studied and
published work on why people love--or fear--or loathe grammar? Can anyone
point us to research on the topic?  
 
Thanks--
Seth
 
Dr. Seth Katz 
Assistant Professor
Department of English
Bradley University
 

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