Jan: I have used Chicago style, but only in connection with theological 
papers/books. I can see that historians would prefer it. I'm sure there are 
many public school teachers who are different from the ones I have 
met...you'll notice that I said, "The people I have taught with...." and I 
guess I was including those people I meet at workshops, seminars, etc. I 
haven't taught at many public schools, so perhaps I just met all the 
exceptions. I'm glad to know that you and others are different. Helene


>From: Jan Kammert <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar              
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>Subject: Re: Rubric for Grammar for Education Majors
>Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:09:52 -0800
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>I teach middle school, and until this year I taught MLA to my students.
>This year I'm teaching Chicago style, which I had never heard of until
>this year. The reason I made the change is because I teach both English
>and history.
>
>My students participate in the National History Day competition.
>Apparently historians prefer Chicago style because of the more detailed
>footnotes for citing sources.
>
>I fight against the rule my students tell me:  That there are always five
>sentences in a paragraph.  I point out paragraphs of varying sizes in the
>reading they do for school to help prove to them that paragraphs don't have
>to be five sentences.  Still, they tell me even now, this far into the
>year, that the paragraphs they write must be five sentences.
>
>I'm writing in defense of all those public school teachers on this list!
>Jan
>
>
>On Wed, 23 Nov 2005, helene hoover wrote:
>
> > Alison: I think your experience is the rule rather than the exception. 
>The
> > people I have taught with in public schools appear never to have heard 
>of
> > MLA style, so, of course, they do not teach it. They have these 
>formalaic
> > rules, such as how many sentences go in a paragraph, how many paragraphs
> > make an essay, where the thesis statement goes (like you indicated), 
>etc. I
> > find it all tedious and counterproductive...writing should be fun, 
>creative,
> > ongoing, and across the curriculum. Unfortunately, most public school
> > teachers write very little; and when they do, it is stylized and
> > uninteresting if not downright poorly executed. Helene
> >
> >
> > >From: Allison Rose <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Reply-To: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
> > ><[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: Rubric for Grammar for Education Majors
> > >Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 01:11:20 -0500
> > >
> > >I didn't hear about MLA style until I got to college; to me, whatever
> > >formats my English teacher gave me were the ones I used, and if s/he 
>didn't
> > >give me any, I used my own personal system. I felt a right dunce when I 
>get
> > >to college and realized everyone in the English dept. was using the 
>same
> > >style but me and that they all seemed to be experts in it. I really 
>wish my
> > >English courses in high school had better prepared me for what my 
>college
> > >professors expected and expect of me.
> > >
> > >I was also very surprised to find out (after my high school teachers
> > >finally
> > >were through with me) that not all thesis statements come at the 
>beginning
> > >of the introduction; it actually makes more sense sometimes (gasp!) to 
>put
> > >them as the last sentence in the introduction. I was a bit disappointed 
>in
> > >my high school teachers, although I was introduced to some great
> > >literature.
> > >
> > >I would also see formatting errors as errors having to do with visual
> > >aesthetics, where the title is placed, where other information such as 
>the
> > >student's name is placed, what font is used, what size font is used, 
>etc.
> > >
> > >Allison
> > >
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