But that test doesn't work in all cases. "Wait on," for example, in the sense of "serve," doesn't allow particle shift:
The server waited on three tables.
*The server waited three tables on.
But the passive is possible:
Three tables were waited on by the server.
which is an indication that "wait on" is a transitive verb.
Herb
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I believe that the distinction depends upon whether the particle in question
can be shifted without violating English idiomatic structure. She put on
her hat = she put her hat on. "She drooled" on her bib" does not become
"She drooled her bib on" in idiomatic English.
Scott
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Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 19:11:22 -0700
From: Cynthia Baird <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Prepositional Phrases as Subject Complements
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This might be a little off topic, but Bill's response brought to mind somet=
hing that I have always struggled with. =20
In traditional high school sentence diagramming, how does one diagram a pre=
positional phrase following verbs like "put" or "turn" which are always fol=
lowed with what I was taught are verb particles. For example, Turn up=
/off the radio. or Turn off the lights. or She put on her clothes. I =
don't see the prepositional phrase as being truly adverbial, but that's alw=
ays how high school textbooks diagram them. Is there a way to diagram=
a verb particle? Can the particle be part of the verb followed by a =
direct object (radio, clothes, etc.)?
thanks!
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From: Spruiell, William C <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Prepositional Phrases as Subject Complements
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Monday, May 19, 2008, 11:12 AM
The traditional approach of ruling out prepositional phrases as subject com=
plements is partly, I think, a relic of the =93word-based=94 focus of prett=
y much all grammar up until the twentieth century. That is, an actual =93ob=
ject=94 or =93complement=94 had to be a word =96 and in older systems a =93=
substantive.=94 That category could include nouns and adjectives, so adject=
ival subject complements were no problem. With prepositional phrases, thoug=
h, the nominal part was considered to be the object of the preposition, and=
it could not simultaneously be the object of a preposition *and* the compl=
ement of a verb. Saying that the PP as a whole is the complement, rather th=
an the NP inside it, solves the problem nicely, but the traditional system =
never quite made it that far with subject complements, although it did with=
(for example) acknowledging noun clauses as direct objects.
I can=92t see much of an argument other than tradition for ruling out PPs a=
s SCs. Yes, there are semantic limitations on them, but that=92s true of re=
gular SCs as well. It=92s difficult to set up a situation in which =93My ca=
t is tangential=94 or =93The chief of staff is the twelfth century=94 work =
very well. Locational PPs work well primarily as SCs to=85.well, locations.=
Acknowledging PPs as complements also lets you deal more systematically wi=
th the verb =93put,=94 since otherwise you=92re stuck explaining why that =
=93adverbial PP=94 is not only mandatory, but hard to move.
Bill Spruiell
Dept. of English=20
Central Michigan University
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Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 4:43 PM
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Subject: Re: Prepositional Phrases as Subject Complements
I certainly agree, Dick, that these adverbials have limitations. Time=
adverbials are limited, I suspect, to events.
Martha
Martha,
We probably should make a distinction between time/place adverbials that ar=
e complementary (describing the subject) and those that are non-complementa=
ry (purely adverbial, describing the predicate). For example, in your sente=
nce "The car is here now," "here" is complementary but "now" is not. =
We can say "The car is here," but we can't say "The car is now."
Likewise the sentence "Emma was at the beach after final exams" allow us to=
say "Emma was at the beach," but it doesn't allow us to say "Emma was afte=
r final exams." "At the beach" is an adverbial that complements the subject=
(answers "Where was Emma?). "After final exams" is a non-complementary adv=
erbial (answers "When was Emma at the beach?" rather than "When was Emma?")=
.
Dick
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Richard Veit
Department of English
University of North Carolina Wilmington
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Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:58 PM
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Subject: Re: Prepositional Phrases as Subject Complements
Hi Patty,
In traditional grammar, be is classified as a linking verb. That syst=
em leaves out sentences like Peter's second one, "Deb was in her car," =
; where what follows be is an adverbial.
This is a pattern that , in my grammar book, I identify as "NP be ADV=
/TP"--where be is followed by an adverbial of time or place, rather than by=
a subject complement. Such adverbials are often prepositional phrase=
s. Here are some other examples:
=20
Deb was there.
=20
The car is here now.
=20
The party will be tomorrow.
=20
The election was on Tuesday.
These "completers" of the predicate don't describe or rename the subject, a=
s Peter's first example does. "Cornelia was in a bad mood" is another way o=
f saying "Cornelia was cranky." I suppose you could call the adverbia=
l completers complements, but they aren't subject complements as adjectival=
s and nominals are.
And note too that the adverbials that complete be sentences are limited to =
time or place; adverbials of manner, for example, don't work here. It=
's not that we can't say "Deb was quickly"--it's just that we don't.
Martha
Sincere question, here:
Would it be OK/accurate to say that, in the first sentence, "in a bad mood"
is a prepositional phrase functioning adjectivally, where in the second
sentence, "in her car" is more of an adverbial function?
Tell the truth, I'm not sure how to classify "location" as a subject
complement.
My thinking is: how would I explain this to students, who might not have ha=
d
the exposure to this grammar list?
-patty
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Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 11:56 PM
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Subject: Prepositional Phrases as Subject Complements
How would you categorize the prep phrase, "in a bad mood," in a
sentence like the following?
Cornelia was in a bad mood.
How about the prep phrase "in her car" in the following sentence?
Deb was in her car.
Peter Adams
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prepositional phrase following verbs like "put" or "turn" which are always =
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ositional phrases as subject complements is partly, I think, a relic of the=
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entury. That is, an actual =93object=94 or =93complement=94 had to be a wor=
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e object of the preposition, and it could not simultaneously be the object =
of a preposition *<B>and</B>* the complement of a verb. Saying that the PP =
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lem nicely, but the traditional system never quite made it that far with su=
bject complements, although it did with (for example) acknowledging noun
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ations on them, but that=92s true of regular SCs as well. It=92s difficult =
to set up a situation in which =93My cat is tangential=94 or =93The chief o=
f staff is the twelfth century=94 work very well. Locational PPs work well =
primarily as SCs to=85.well, locations. Acknowledging PPs as complements al=
so lets you deal more systematically with the verb =93put,=94 since otherwi=
se you=92re stuck explaining why that =93adverbial PP=94 is not only mandat=
ory, but hard to move.</SPAN></P>
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lementary</I> (describing the subject) and those that are<I> non-complement=
ary</I> (purely adverbial, describing the predicate). For example, in your =
sentence "The car is here now," "here" is complementary but "now" is =
not. We can say "The car is here," but we can't say "The car is now." =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy">Likewise =
the sentence "Emma was at the beach after final exams" allow us to say "Emm=
a was at the beach," but it doesn't allow us to say "Emma was after final e=
xams." "At the beach" is an adverbial that complements the subject (answers=
"Where was Emma?). "After final exams" is a non-complementary adverbial (a=
nswers "When was Emma at the beach?" rather than "When was Emma?").</SPAN><=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: teal">Richard V=
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a', 'sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMI=
LY: 'Tahoma', 'sans-serif'"> Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [=
mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B> On Behalf Of</B> Martha Kolln<BR><B>Sen=
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BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Prepositional Phrases as Subject Complements</SPAN><=
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<P class=3DMsoNormal>In traditional grammar,<I> be</I> is classified as a l=
inking verb. That system leaves out sentences like Peter's second one=
, "Deb was in her car," where what follows<I> be</I> is an adverbial.=
</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal>This is a pattern that , in my grammar book, I identif=
y as "NP be ADV/TP"--where<I> be</I> is followed by an adverbial of t=
ime or place, rather than by a subject complement. Such adverbials ar=
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here now.</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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n was on Tuesday.</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal> </P></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt">
<P class=3DMsoNormal>These "completers" of the predicate don't describe or =
rename the subject, as Peter's first example does. "Cornelia was in a bad m=
ood" is another way of saying "Cornelia was cranky." I suppose you co=
uld call the adverbial completers complements, but they aren't subject comp=
lements as adjectivals and nominals are.</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal> </P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal>And note too that the adverbials that complete<I> be</=
I> sentences are limited to time or place; adverbials of manner, for exampl=
e, don't work here. It's not that we can't say "Deb was quickly"--it'=
s just that we don't.</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal> </P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal>Martha</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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From: Nancy Tuten <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Prepositional Phrases as Subject Complements
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Cynthia,
I always put the particle on the line with the verb. I thought that when a
word that us usually a preposition functions as a particle, then we don't
have a prepositional phrase at all (because we don't really have a
preposition). I will be interested to see if I've been teaching this idea
correctly or not, but I teach my students that a verb phrase that includes a
particle would mean something entirely different without the particle and
that a one-word verb can usually replace the verb phrase.
For example, "to turn off" is an entirely different action than "to turn,"
and "to turn off" can be replaced by "to extinguish."
Once we have applied those tests and determined that we have a particle, I
no longer call it a preposition. The word that would have been the object of
the preposition is now the direct object.
Eagerly awaiting the others' feedback . . .
Nancy
Nancy L. Tuten, PhD
Professor of English
Director of the Writing-across-the-Curriculum Program
Columbia College
Columbia, South Carolina
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Subject: Re: Prepositional Phrases as Subject Complements
This might be a little off topic, but Bill's response brought to mind
something that I have always struggled with.
In traditional high school sentence diagramming, how does one diagram a
prepositional phrase following verbs like "put" or "turn" which are always
followed with what I was taught are verb particles. For example, Turn
up/off the radio. or Turn off the lights. or She put on her clothes. I
don't see the prepositional phrase as being truly adverbial, but that's
always how high school textbooks diagram them. Is there a way to diagram a
verb particle? Can the particle be part of the verb followed by a direct
object (radio, clothes, etc.)?
thanks!
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From: Spruiell, William C <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Prepositional Phrases as Subject Complements
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Monday, May 19, 2008, 11:12 AM
The traditional approach of ruling out prepositional phrases as subject
complements is partly, I think, a relic of the "word-based" focus of pretty
much all grammar up until the twentieth century. That is, an actual "object"
or "complement" had to be a word - and in older systems a "substantive."
That category could include nouns and adjectives, so adjectival subject
complements were no problem. With prepositional phrases, though, the nominal
part was considered to be the object of the preposition, and it could not
simultaneously be the object of a preposition *and* the complement of a
verb. Saying that the PP as a whole is the complement, rather than the NP
inside it, solves the problem nicely, but the traditional system never quite
made it that far with subject complements, although it did with (for
example) acknowledging noun clauses as direct objects.
I can't see much of an argument other than tradition for ruling out PPs as
SCs. Yes, there are semantic limitations on them, but that's true of regular
SCs as well. It's difficult to set up a situation in which "My cat is
tangential" or "The chief of staff is the twelfth century" work very well.
Locational PPs work well primarily as SCs to..well, locations. Acknowledging
PPs as complements also lets you deal more systematically with the verb
"put," since otherwise you're stuck explaining why that "adverbial PP" is
not only mandatory, but hard to move.
Bill Spruiell
Dept. of English
Central Michigan University
From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
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Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 4:43 PM
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Subject: Re: Prepositional Phrases as Subject Complements
I certainly agree, Dick, that these adverbials have limitations. Time
adverbials are limited, I suspect, to events.
Martha
Martha,
We probably should make a distinction between time/place adverbials that are
complementary (describing the subject) and those that are non-complementary
(purely adverbial, describing the predicate). For example, in your sentence
"The car is here now," "here" is complementary but "now" is not. We can say
"The car is here," but we can't say "The car is now."
Likewise the sentence "Emma was at the beach after final exams" allow us to
say "Emma was at the beach," but it doesn't allow us to say "Emma was after
final exams." "At the beach" is an adverbial that complements the subject
(answers "Where was Emma?). "After final exams" is a non-complementary
adverbial (answers "When was Emma at the beach?" rather than "When was
Emma?").
Dick
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Department of English
University of North Carolina Wilmington
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From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
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Hi Patty,
In traditional grammar, be is classified as a linking verb. That system
leaves out sentences like Peter's second one, "Deb was in her car," where
what follows be is an adverbial.
This is a pattern that , in my grammar book, I identify as "NP be
ADV/TP"--where be is followed by an adverbial of time or place, rather than
by a subject complement. Such adverbials are often prepositional phrases.
Here are some other examples:
Deb was there.
The car is here now.
The party will be tomorrow.
The election was on Tuesday.
These "completers" of the predicate don't describe or rename the subject, as
Peter's first example does. "Cornelia was in a bad mood" is another way of
saying "Cornelia was cranky." I suppose you could call the adverbial
completers complements, but they aren't subject complements as adjectivals
and nominals are.
And note too that the adverbials that complete be sentences are limited to
time or place; adverbials of manner, for example, don't work here. It's not
that we can't say "Deb was quickly"--it's just that we don't.
Martha
Sincere question, here:
Would it be OK/accurate to say that, in the first sentence, "in a bad mood"
is a prepositional phrase functioning adjectivally, where in the second
sentence, "in her car" is more of an adverbial function?
Tell the truth, I'm not sure how to classify "location" as a subject
complement.
My thinking is: how would I explain this to students, who might not have had
the exposure to this grammar list?
-patty
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Subject: Prepositional Phrases as Subject Complements
How would you categorize the prep phrase, "in a bad mood," in a
sentence like the following?
Cornelia was in a bad mood.
How about the prep phrase "in her car" in the following sentence?
Deb was in her car.
Peter Adams
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:13.0pt'>I always put the =
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the line with the verb. I thought that when a word that us usually a
preposition functions as a particle, then we don’t have a =
prepositional
phrase at all (because we don’t really have a preposition). I will =
be
interested to see if I’ve been teaching this idea correctly or =
not, but I
teach my students that a verb phrase that includes a particle would mean
something entirely different without the particle and that a one-word =
verb can
usually replace the verb phrase. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:13.0pt'>For example, =
“to turn
off” is an entirely different action than “to turn,” =
and “to
turn off” can be replaced by “to =
extinguish.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:13.0pt'>Once we have =
applied those
tests and determined that we have a particle, I no longer call it a
preposition. The word that would have been the object of the preposition =
is now
the direct object. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:13.0pt'>Eagerly awaiting =
the others’
feedback . . . <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:13.0pt'>Nancy =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Georgia","serif"'>Nancy =
L. Tuten,
PhD</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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English</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Assembly for the Teaching of English
Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask]] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Cynthia =
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 25, 2008 10:11 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: Prepositional Phrases as Subject =
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his
might be a little off topic, but Bill's response brought to mind =
something
that I have always struggled with. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span =
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n
traditional high school sentence diagramming, how does one diagram a
prepositional phrase following verbs like "put" or =
"turn"
which are always followed with what I was taught are verb =
particles.
For example, Turn up/off the radio. or Turn off the lights. or She put =
on her
clothes. I don't see the prepositional phrase as being truly =
adverbial,
but that's always how high school textbooks diagram them. Is =
there a
way to diagram a verb particle? Can the particle be part of the =
verb
followed by a direct object (radio, clothes, =
etc.)?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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hanks!<br>
<br>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From: Spruiell, William =
C
<[log in to unmask]><br>
Subject: Re: Prepositional Phrases as Subject Complements<br>
To: [log in to unmask]<br>
Date: Monday, May 19, 2008, 11:12 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div id=3Dyiv421543358>
<div>
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=
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>The
traditional approach of ruling out prepositional phrases as subject
complements is partly, I think, a relic of the =
“word-based” focus
of pretty much all grammar up until the twentieth century. That is, an =
actual
“object” or “complement” had to be a word =
– and
in older systems a “substantive.” That category could =
include
nouns and adjectives, so adjectival subject complements were no =
problem. With
prepositional phrases, though, the nominal part was considered to be =
the
object of the preposition, and it could not simultaneously be the =
object of a
preposition *<b>and</b>* the complement of a verb. Saying that the PP =
as a
whole is the complement, rather than the NP inside it, solves the =
problem
nicely, but the traditional system never quite made it that far with =
subject
complements, although it did with (for example) acknowledging noun =
clauses as
direct objects.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
=
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=
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I
can’t see much of an argument <i>other than</i> tradition for =
ruling
out PPs as SCs. Yes, there are semantic limitations on them, but =
that’s
true of regular SCs as well. It’s difficult to set up a =
situation in
which “My cat is tangential” or “The chief of staff =
is the
twelfth century” work very well. Locational PPs work well =
primarily as
SCs to….well, locations. Acknowledging PPs as complements also =
lets you
deal more systematically with the verb “put,” since =
otherwise
you’re stuck explaining why that “adverbial PP” is =
not only
mandatory, but hard to move.</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
=
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><span
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
=
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Bill
Spruiell</span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
=
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Dept.
of English </span><span style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
=
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Central
Michigan University</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
=
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><span
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt =
0in 0in 0in'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
=
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
From:</span></b><span
=
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
Assembly
for the Teaching of English Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask]] =
<b>On
Behalf Of </b>Martha Kolln<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 16, 2008 4:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [log in to unmask]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Prepositional Phrases as Subject =
Complements</span><span
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'>I certainly agree, Dick, that these adverbials =
have
limitations. Time adverbials are limited, I suspect, to =
events.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'>Martha<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>Martha,</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'> </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>We probably should make a =
distinction
between time/place adverbials that are<i> complementary</i> =
(describing the
subject) and those that are<i> non-complementary</i> (purely =
adverbial,
describing the predicate). For example, in your sentence "The car =
is
here now," "here" is complementary but =
"now"
is not. We can say "The car is here," but we can't say =
"The
car is now." </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'> </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>Likewise the sentence "Emma =
was at
the beach after final exams" allow us to say "Emma was at =
the
beach," but it doesn't allow us to say "Emma was after final
exams." "At the beach" is an adverbial that complements =
the
subject (answers "Where was Emma?). "After final exams" =
is a
non-complementary adverbial (answers "When was Emma at the =
beach?"
rather than "When was Emma?").</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'> </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:navy'>Dick</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
=
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:teal'>________________________________</s=
pan><span
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:teal'>Richard Veit<br>
Department of English<br>
University of North Carolina Wilmington</span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'text-align:center'><span
=
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>
<hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter>
</span></div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
=
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
From:</span></b><span
=
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>=
Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<b> On Behalf Of</b> Martha Kolln<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 16, 2008 2:58 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> [log in to unmask]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Prepositional Phrases as Subject =
Complements</span><span
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'>Hi Patty,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'>In traditional grammar,<i> be</i> is classified =
as a
linking verb. That system leaves out sentences like Peter's =
second one,
"Deb was in her car," where what follows<i> be</i> is =
an
adverbial.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'>This is a pattern that , in my grammar book, I =
identify
as "NP be ADV/TP"--where<i> be</i> is followed by an
adverbial of time or place, rather than by a subject complement. =
Such
adverbials are often prepositional phrases. Here are some other
examples:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'> Deb =
was there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'> The =
car is
here now.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'> The =
party will
be tomorrow.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'> The =
election
was on Tuesday.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'>These "completers" of the predicate =
don't
describe or rename the subject, as Peter's first example does. =
"Cornelia
was in a bad mood" is another way of saying "Cornelia was
cranky." I suppose you could call the adverbial completers
complements, but they aren't subject complements as adjectivals and =
nominals
are.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'>And note too that the adverbials that =
complete<i> be</i>
sentences are limited to time or place; adverbials of manner, for =
example,
don't work here. It's not that we can't say "Deb was
quickly"--it's just that we don't.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'>Martha<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style=3D'color:black'>Sincere question, here:<br>
<br>
Would it be OK/accurate to say that, in the first sentence, "in a =
bad
mood"<br>
is a prepositional phrase functioning adjectivally, where in the =
second<br>
sentence, "in her car" is more of an adverbial function?<br>
<br>
Tell the truth, I'm not sure how to classify "location" as a
subject<br>
complement.<br>
<br>
My thinking is: how would I explain this to students, who might not =
have had<br>
the exposure to this grammar list?<br>
<br>
-patty<br>
<br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar<br>
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Peter Adams<br>
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 11:56 PM<br>
To: [log in to unmask]<br>
Subject: Prepositional Phrases as Subject Complements<br>
<br>
How would you categorize the prep phrase, "in a bad mood," =
in
a <br>
sentence like the following?<br>
<br>
Cornelia was in a bad mood.<br>
<br>
How about the prep phrase "in her car" in the following =
sentence?<br>
<br>
Deb was in her car.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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