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Scott,
    Another way of saying that any word can act as a noun is to say that when we think of words as words (or statements as statements) we are construing them as things. This is true for events and processes and phrases and whole sentences. In order for us to focus our attention on them, we need to give them a thing-like status. This is certainly mirrored in the syntax.
    "You are an idiot." She said "you are an idiot." "You are an idiot" was not nice of her to say. Her statement, "You are an idiot," was not a nice thing to say. "You are an idiot" goes  from sentence to direct object to subject to appositional modifier. I'm not sure I would take the next step and say the sentence is acting like a noun in the second and third and fourth instances, especially since so many structures (not just nouns or noun phrases) can find their way into those syntactic slots.
    I have some sympathy for your C- student. When we talk about "the" as a word, we are construing it as a thing, perhaps making it the subject of a sentence, but we don't necessarily have to say it's acting like a noun when it does so. The function (subject) can be thought of as independent of the various forms that carry it out.

Craig
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Subject: Re: ATEG Digest - 9 Nov 2011 to 10 Nov 2011 (#2011-196)

To me a participle is a verb form.  In its present form it can be part of a progressive aspect in a verb or act as an adjective.  Less commonly, it could act as a noun; however, any word can act as a noun.

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>  1. ATEG Digest - 29 Oct 2011 to 8 Nov 2011 (#2011-194)
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> Date:    Thu, 10 Nov 2011 21:05:36 +0000
> From:    "Myers, Marshall" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: ATEG Digest - 29 Oct 2011 to 8 Nov 2011 (#2011-194)
>
> Scott,
>
> I stand corrected. "Exciting" was first a verb form, then a
> participle, and= then an adjective, correct?
>
> Marshall
>
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> [mailto:[log in to unmask] OHIO.EDU] On Behalf Of Scott Catledge
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 10:33 AM
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> Subject: Re: ATEG Digest - 29 Oct 2011 to 8 Nov 2011 (#2011-194)
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> I would not say that "exciting was an adjective made out of a verb but
> a present participle used as an adjective--a concept that I taught early on.
> When I stated that any word could be used as a noun, I was challenged
> by a student who said, "'The' can't be used as a noun."  I then asked
> her to=20 diagram her statement.  When she did, the class saw that
> "The" was a subject.
> I=20
> then
> asked if "The" was used as a pronoun: they replied almost in unison,
> "No,=20
> it's
> used as a noun.  The young lady just shook her head and said, "'The'
> can't=
> =20
> be
> no noun!"  I stated that she was quite right that 'the' could not be a
> noun=
> ;=20
> it
> could, however, be used as a noun--as we clearly saw from the diagram.
> I never did convince her and, on the final exam, a similar response
> took her exam grade from a C to a D=3D--lowering her final average
> from a C to a C-.
> She complained; however, we had few, if any, options at that time on
> determining final grades.
>
> Scott Catledge
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>> Date:    Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:59:33 -0800
>> From:    Scott Woods <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: grammar question--verb v. participle
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>> Dear List,
>>
>> How would you describe "exciting" in the following sentence?
>>
>> <What had been exciting gave her a feeling of dazed helplessness.>
>>
>> How would you explain your reasoning to 7th graders?
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Scott Woods
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>> <html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff;=20
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>> serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Dear List,</div><div><br></div><div>How
>> would=
> =20
>> you describe "exciting" in the following=20
>> sentence?</div><div><br></div><div>&lt;What had been exciting gave
>> her a=
> =20
>> feeling of dazed helplessness.&gt;</div><div><br></div><div>How would
>> you=
> =20
>> explain your reasoning to 7th=20
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>> ------------------------------
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>> Date:    Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:49:32 +0000
>> From:    "Spruiell, William C" <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>
>> Scott --
>>
>> I'd say it was an adjective, of the type that's made out of a verb
>> (if th=
> e=20
>> =3D
>> class has talked in some way about participles, with or without the
>> term=
> =20
>> ac=3D
>> tually being used). You can put "very" in front of it easily,
>> which=20 support=3D s the idea that it's an adjective or adverb, and
>> you can rule out adverb=
> =20
>> fa=3D
>> irly easily too (it's not movable, you should be able to say
>> "excitingly"=
> =20
>> t=3D
>> here if it were an adverb, etc.). If the class hasn't talked about
>> verb=20
>> for=3D
>> ms being used as adjectives, maybe this would be a good place to
>> bring it=
> =20
>> u=3D
>> p. You can nudge the word verbwards by adding something interpretable
>> onl=
> y=20
>> =3D
>> as an object: "What had been exciting everyone now just made them=20
>> confused"=3D (but then the "very" test bombs).
>>
>> If you're talking about grammatical role, it's a subject complement
>> insid=
> e=20
>> =3D
>> a wh-clause acting as subject=3D85 but I was guessing that seventh
>> grade=
> =20
>> prob=3D
>> ably hasn't focused much on nominal clauses and embedding.
>>
>> --- Bill Spruiell
>>
>> From: Scott Woods
>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>> Reply-To: ATEG English Grammar=20
>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:ATEG@LISTSE=3D
>> RV.MUOHIO.EDU>>
>> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:59:33 -0800
>> To: ATEG English Grammar=20
>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]
>> HIO.EDU>>
>> Subject: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>
>> Dear List,
>>
>> How would you describe "exciting" in the following sentence?
>>
>> <What had been exciting gave her a feeling of dazed helplessness.>
>>
>> How would you explain your reasoning to 7th graders?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Scott Woods
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date:    Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:54:59 +0000
>> From:    "Myers, Marshall" <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> I concur with Bill.
>>
>> "Interesting" and "boring" are also seen as "exciting" is.
>>
>> Marshall
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar=20
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask] OHIO.EDU] On Behalf Of Spruiell, William
>> C
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:50 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>
>> Scott --
>>
>> I'd say it was an adjective, of the type that's made out of a verb
>> (if th=
> e=20
>> =3D
>> class has talked in some way about participles, with or without the
>> term=
> =20
>> ac=3D
>> tually being used). You can put "very" in front of it easily,
>> which=20 support=3D s the idea that it's an adjective or adverb, and
>> you can rule out adverb=
> =20
>> fa=3D
>> irly easily too (it's not movable, you should be able to say
>> "excitingly"=
> =20
>> t=3D
>> here if it were an adverb, etc.). If the class hasn't talked about
>> verb=20
>> for=3D
>> ms being used as adjectives, maybe this would be a good place to
>> bring it=
> =20
>> u=3D
>> p. You can nudge the word verbwards by adding something interpretable
>> onl=
> y=20
>> =3D
>> as an object: "What had been exciting everyone now just made them=20
>> confused"=3D (but then the "very" test bombs).
>>
>> If you're talking about grammatical role, it's a subject complement
>> insid=
> e=20
>> =3D
>> a wh-clause acting as subject... but I was guessing that seventh
>> grade=20 prob=3D ably hasn't focused much on nominal clauses and
>> embedding.
>>
>> --- Bill Spruiell
>>
>> From: Scott Woods
>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>> Reply-To: ATEG English Grammar=20
>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:ATEG@LISTSE=3D
>> RV.MUOHIO.EDU>>
>> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:59:33 -0800
>> To: ATEG English Grammar=20
>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]
>> HIO.EDU>>
>> Subject: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>
>> Dear List,
>>
>> How would you describe "exciting" in the following sentence?
>>
>> <What had been exciting gave her a feeling of dazed helplessness.>
>>
>> How would you explain your reasoning to 7th graders?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Scott Woods
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date:    Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:54:40 -0500
>> From:    MARTHA KOLLN <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>
>> --=3D-5Be6YINi0jrOI42vD6hO
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>> Another adjective test besides "very":  "more exciting.
>>
>> Martha
>>
>> On Tue, Nov  8, 2011 02:54 PM, "Myers, Marshall"
>> <[log in to unmask]>=
> =20
>> wrote:
>>>
>> Scott,
>>>
>>>I concur with Bill.
>>>
>>>"Interesting" and "boring" are also seen as "exciting" is.
>>>
>>>Marshall
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
>>>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Spruiell, William C
>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:50 PM
>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>>
>>>Scott --
>>>
>>>I'd say it was an adjective, of the type that's made out of a verb
>>>(if th=
> e
>>>class has talked in some way about participles, with or without the
>>>term actually being used). You can put "very" in front of it easily,
>>>which supports the idea that it's an adjective or adverb, and you can
>>>rul=
> e=20
>>>out
>>>adverb fairly easily too (it's not movable, you should be able to say
>>>"excitingly" there if it were an adverb, etc.). If the class hasn't
>>>talked about verb forms being used as adjectives, maybe this would=
> =20
>>>be a
>>>good place to bring it up. You can nudge the word verbwards by
>>>adding=20 something interpretable only as an object: "What had been
>>>exciting everyone now jus=
> t
>>>made them confused" (but then the "very" test bombs).
>>>
>>>If you're talking about grammatical role, it's a subject complement
>>>insid=
> e=20
>>>a
>>>wh-clause acting as subject... but I was guessing that seventh
>>>grade=20 probably hasn't focused much on nominal clauses and
>>>embedding.
>>>
>>>--- Bill Spruiell
>>>
>>>From: Scott Woods
>>><[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>Reply-To: ATEG English Grammar
>>><[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:59:33 -0800
>>>To: ATEG English Grammar
>>><[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>Subject: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>>
>>>Dear List,
>>>
>>>How would you describe "exciting" in the following sentence?
>>>
>>><What had been exciting gave her a feeling of dazed helplessness.>
>>>
>>>How would you explain your reasoning to 7th graders?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Scott Woods
>>>To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web
>>>interfac=
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>>>at:
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>>>leave the list"
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>>
>> Martha Kolln
>>
>>
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>> <div>Another adjective test besides "very": &nbsp;"more
>> exciting.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Martha<br><br>On
>> Tue,=20
>> Nov  8,
>> 2011 02:54 PM, <b>"Myers, Marshall"
>> &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;</b>
>> wrote:<br><blockquote id=3D"quoted_response" style=3D"padding-left:
>> 3px;
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>> #000;">
>> <pre>
>> Scott,
>>
>> I concur with Bill.
>>
>> "Interesting" and "boring" are also seen as "exciting" is.
>>
>> Marshall
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Spruiell, William C
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:50 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>
>> Scott --
>>
>> I'd say it was an adjective, of the type that's made out of a verb
>> (if th=
> e
>> class has talked in some way about participles, with or without the
>> term actually being used). You can put "very" in front of it easily,
>> which supports the idea that it's an adjective or adverb, and you can
>> rul=
> e=20
>> out
>> adverb fairly easily too (it's not movable, you should be able to say
>> "excitingly" there if it were an adverb, etc.). If the class hasn't
>> talked about verb forms being used as adjectives, maybe this would=
> =20
>> be a
>> good place to bring it up. You can nudge the word verbwards by
>> adding=20 something interpretable only as an object: "What had been
>> exciting everyone now jus=
> t
>> made them confused" (but then the "very" test bombs).
>>
>> If you're talking about grammatical role, it's a subject complement
>> insid=
> e=20
>> a
>> wh-clause acting as subject... but I was guessing that seventh
>> grade=20 probably hasn't focused much on nominal clauses and
>> embedding.
>>
>> --- Bill Spruiell
>>
>> From: Scott Woods=20
>> &lt;[log in to unmask]&lt;mailto:[log in to unmask]&gt;
>> Reply-To: ATEG English Grammar
>> &lt;[log in to unmask]&lt;mailto:[log in to unmask]&gt;
>> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:59:33 -0800
>> To: ATEG English Grammar
>> &lt;[log in to unmask]&lt;mailto:[log in to unmask]&gt;
>> Subject: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>
>> Dear List,
>>
>> How would you describe "exciting" in the following sentence?
>>
>> &lt;What had been exciting gave her a feeling of dazed
>> helplessness.&gt;
>>
>> How would you explain your reasoning to 7th graders?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Scott Woods
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Date:    Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:57:12 +0000
>> From:    "Myers, Marshall" <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle
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>> cD48L286cD48L3ByZT4NCjxwcmU+PG86cD4mbmJzcDs8L286cD48L3ByZT4NCjxwcmU+8
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>> cD48L286cD48L3ByZT4NCjxwcmU+PG86cD4mbmJzcDs8L286cD48L3ByZT4NCjxwcmU+a
>> cD48L286cD48L3ByZT4NCjxwcmU+PG86cD4mbmJzcDs8L286cD48L3ByZT4NCjxwcmU+=
> m9p
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>> CdzI=
> Hdl
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>> YiBpbnRlcmZhY2UgYXQ6PG86cD48L286cD48L3ByZT4NCjxwcmU+m5ic=
> 3A7
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> Glz
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> Qo8
>> cHJlPlZpc2l0IEFURUcncyB3ZWIgc2l0ZSBhdCBodHRwOi8vYXRlZy5vcmcvPG86cD48L
>> 286c=
> D48
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> 286
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> GNs
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> GVh
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>> GxlY=
> XZl
>> IHRoZSBsaXN0JnF1b3Q7DQo8bzpwPjwvbzpwPjwvcD4NCjxwPlZpc2l0IEFURUcncyB3Z
>> WIgc=
> 2l0
>> ZSBhdCBodHRwOi8vYXRlZy5vcmcvIDxvOnA+PC9vOnA+PC9wPg0KPC9kaXY+DQo8L2JvZHk+D=
> Qo8
>> L2h0bWw+DQo=3D
>>
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