Paul,
I want to echo Herb's praise and echo the sense that we can use
statements like this as a way in. If, in fact, NCTE has been softening
its position, it has been because of Brock's defense, Martha's tireless
efforts, everyone's "walking on eggshells." I have nothing but praise
for the troops on the frontlines. >
In the meantime, I think we have much to gain by laying out very
professional and thoughtful advice of our own. As the conference
statement of support sums it up: advocating "Explicit knowledge" and a
systematic program.
As a number of people have pointed out to me, NCTE is a huge
organization with much difference of perspective within it. I suspect
we have many allies in the organization.
Craig
You just triggered a memory: When we first published the grammar statement
> on NCTE, there were a couple of voices of protest. I remember that Brock
> had to defend the statement against some heavy opposition. Much of the
> work that we were doing with NCTE was delicate -- like walking on egg
> shells.
>
> Paul D.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Phil Bralich <[log in to unmask]>
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> Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2006 10:42:00 AM
> Subject: Re: NCTE
>
>
> It is sufficiently pro-grammar to be read as a retraction of the original
> position. Tho' not quite that courageous.
>
> Phil Bralich
>
>>As with many official statements, their original meaning and what they
>> mean later aren't necessarily the same thing. Just look at 200 years
>> interpretation of the Constitution. Whatever the reasons were for
>> drafting the statement at the time, it gives us an excellent opening to
>> NCTE for developing the teaching standards that are entailed in it.
>>
>>Herb
>>
>>
>> There is much to admire about the statement, but it does fall short of
>>calling for a systematic teaching of grammar as part of the curriculum.
>>So I would ask the authors whether they did so out of conviction or out
>>of the constraint of writing a position that NCTE would accept. NCTE
>>may be softening on that position, but they have opposed scope and
>>sequence in the past. One reason for constructing a scope and sequence
>>under our own umbrella is that we would not need to water anything
>>down.
>>
>>
>>Craig>
>>
>>
>> Indeed! David--- On Wed 09/06, Stahlke, Herbert F.W. <
>>> [log in to unmask] > wrote:From: Stahlke, Herbert F.W. [mailto:
>>> [log in to unmask]]To: [log in to unmask]: Wed, 6 Sep 2006
>>> 14:06:09 -0400Subject: Re: NCTE
>>>
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>>> {behavior:url(#default#VML);}.shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);}
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>>>
>>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the link. It's quite a good statement, notsurprising when
>>> one
>>> looks at the authors, Brock Haussamen with Paul Doniger,Pam Dykstra,
>>> Martha Kolln, Kathryn Rogers, and Rebecca Wheeler.
>>>
>>> Herb
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Assembly for the Teaching of English
>>> Grammar[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On BehalfOf dabroSent:
>>> Wednesday,
>>> September 06,2006 1:54 PMTo: [log in to unmask]: NCTE
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am learning from the many authoritative posts here, but in the thread
>>> that's been so active recently, no one has referred to NCTE's current
>>> position statement concerning
>>> grammar.http://www.ncte.org/about/over/positions/category/gram/107646.htmDavid
>>> BrownESL/EFL teacher Long Beach, CA
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