er, the main Harcourt page referred to below is not displaying. Harcourt's
college text section has been bought by International Thompson (formerly
Wadsworth), and there is currently lots of confusion. I've got a couple of
books with Harcourt and I got a letter from them saying that sales,
editorial, and marketing will be handled by Heinle and Heinle based in
Boston. If you call the Harcourt 800 number, you may be able to get someone
who can help. You could also try www.hbcollege.com which is a Thompson site.
Suzanne Webb
Texas Woman's University
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wollin, Edith" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: choosing books (was "burn your grammar books")


> Here is the web address (unless it is now fixed, they have the title wrong
> and only Michael shows as author!); however, I don't know the exam copy
> address; you should have a Harcourt rep in your area that will get it for
> you. Here is the ISBN # too:0-15-506374-X
>
http://main.harcourtcollege.com/catalog/course.jhtml?sdid=english___communic
> ation___journalism&did=020&cid=EN20
>
> Edith Wollin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christine Gray [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 4:34 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: choosing books (was "burn your grammar books")
>
>
> I went to the Oxford UP web site and requested an examination copy of
> "Doing Grammar."  Thank you, Rebecca, for mentioning it.
>
> I am new to this list and several titles that have been mentioned are
> new to me.  I mentioned Klammer in a recent message.
>
> I glommed onto his book because it was the only one I could find that
> was not prescriptive, did not water down the material, was not written
> as though students were idiots, and had/has Reed-Kellogg and tree
> diagramming throughout.
>
> Edith, I tried to locate the Harcourt web site to request an exam. copy
> of your book but was not successful. Would you post the Harcourt address
> for ordering exam copy of "Writers Choices."
>
>
> Wollin, Edith wrote:
> >
> > Writers' Choices: Grammar to Improve Style from Michael Kischner and
Edith
> > Wollin is finally out from Harcourt if you want to order an examination
> copy
> > to see if it interests you. We are hopeful that it can be part of a
> > composition course, but acknowledge that the two together are a lot a
work
> > for those in quarter systems. We are believers in rhetorical grammar,
come
> > to independently from Martha, thus proving that it is an idea whose time
> has
> > come! And we use sentence combining along with students' own composing.
> > Edith Wollin
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rebecca S. Wheeler [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:51 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: burn your grammar books
> >
> > I used Klammer's Analyzing English Grammar for 1 year, and no more. I
> found
> > that the
> > degree of detail he went into was way way more than what the students
> could
> > handle,
> > and was way beyond what I wanted to focus on. Furthermore, there weren't
> > enough
> > exercises to suit my taste.
> >
> > As many on this listserve know, my preference is for Morenberg's DOING
> > GRAMMAR,
> > which will soon be in the third edition, I hear. So, I'm returning to
> DOING
> > GRAMMAR
> > this year (next week), in both my advanced grammar classes. I will try
> > blending that
> > with his "Writer's Options" as a way to apply some of the more complex
> > clause
> > structures to writing.
> >
> > His  focus on basic structural analysis of the sentence into the 6 types
> of
> > verb
> > types (and hence sentence structure types) is VERY accessible, with
clear
> > mnemonics.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Rebecca
> >
> > Christine Gray wrote:
> >
> > > Has anyone on the list used Thomas Klammer's Analyzing English
Grammar??
> > >
> > > I've been using it for about six years.  One aspect of it I prefer
over
> > > Kolln's is that it has examples of diagramming using both tree and
> > > Reed-Kellogg diagrams.
> > >
> > > And, Ed, I agree with you!  It is so difficult to find actual grammar
> > > books. Most books seem to be either handbooks/refereence books or
> > > designed for developmental students.
> > >
> > > Christine Gray
> >
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