Phil,
   You can't have a scope and sequence without terminology. The only
question is whether you do so carefully and thoughtfully. Scope and
sequence is a big job, so we have been routinely delegating it to
sub-groups.
   Many of us are veterans at writing for publication.

Craig>

>Again, I agree that the ATEG forum would be the right place to work
>>on a revision and standardization of the grammar metalanguage. I can
>>assume that this is what Ed Vavra would also like to see happen, but
>>how can we make it happen?
>>
>
>
> Another letter on this tread suggests the terminology discussion be part
> of the Scope and Sequence project which seems a little fishy to me.  A
> separate committee would undoubtedly be better and more focussed.
> Certainly the problem of terminology comes up when you look at the scope
> of the problem, but I don't see how it fits in the Scope and Sequence
> committee.  They are already charged with significant enough
> responsibility.  A separate team doing the research and writing would be
> required.  And of course for any ATEG committee, principles should first
> be worked out before making proposals.
>
> All of this needs to be of publishable quality to have the necessary
> effect.
>
> Phil Bralich
>
>
>>
>>On Wed, 26 Jul 2006, Phil Bralich wrote...
>>
>>>>I agree with the statement you make in your article that there is=20
>>>>great confusion concerning words used to define grammatical terms.
>>I=20
>>>>have recently reviewed 18 (eighteen) grammar books of different
>>sizes=20
>>>>and origins, including Quirk=92s =93Comprehensive Grammar of the
>>English=
>>>=20
>>>>Language,=93 and each one of the uses a different set of terms to=20
>>>>describe the grammar system of the English language.
>>Standardization=20
>>>>of  grammar terminology would eliminate a lot of confusion and
>>would=20
>>>>make different grammar books more accessible to teachers and
>>students.
>>>
>>>ATEG would be a good group to do this. =20
>>>
>>>>I do not have any trouble with the term *gerund* probably because
>>I=20
>>>>learned this term when I was in grammar (junior high) school, but
>>I=20
>>>>agree that the term is redundant. As you know, it comes from
>>Latin=20
>>>>(gerundium), and can be easily abandoned as the term *participle*
>>can=20
>>>>be used to describe both the verbal and the nominal functions of
>>the=20
>>>>[-ing] form.=20
>>>
>>>The only reason I bring it up is because is so often confounding.
>>If the r=
>>>edundant and unnecessary nature of the term is pointed out, it
>>clears stude=
>>>nts heads.  A "Ban the Gerund" movement might be eye catching and
>>helpful t=
>>>o put together a list of standardized terminology.  How about
>>the "Ban the =
>>>Gerund" ATEG Working Group for the Standardization of Grammar
>>Terminology. =
>>> =20
>>>
>>>>Someone asked a question about *parts of speech,* a term which
>>seems=20
>>>>rather counterintuitive for grammar (as grammar deals mainly with=20
>>>>written language), and I found out that some grammar book authors
>>use=20
>>>>the term *word classes* to describe the same thing. I believe
>>that=20
>>>>WORD CLASSES is much better than PARTS OF SPEECH to describe the=20
>>>>different categories into which we can prototypically categorize
>>the=20
>>>>lexicon of every language.
>>>
>>>Parts of Speech if fine for me.  It recognizes the more primary
>>aspect of l=
>>>anguage as Speech.  The ability to analyze all Speech (not just
>>writing) is=
>>> what grammar offers. =20
>>>
>>>
>>>Phil Bralich
>>>
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