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HELP!
In the following construction should it be "take" or "bring" in the quote?

"Victor, when you leave the storeroom, please (take/bring) some chalk back
to the classroom," Mr. Luttati said.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Craig Hancock [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 9:02 AM
> To:   [log in to unmask]
> Subject:      teaching appositives to seventh graders
>
> Ed,
>      A week or so ago I included a statement by my son at age five that
> may be of some relevance here:  I wish I was a fairy so I could put a
> spell on you and you would live forever.  It includes subordination that
> is fairly routine at this age:  the content clause I was a fairy and
> adverbial subordination of the so that variety.  Relative clauses
> (especially nonrestrictive) may indeed come at a later date, but certainly
> adverbial subordinate clauses and many types of content clauses are in the
> repertoire by age five.  You seem to be in danger of doing what you are
> warning others not to -- lumping all subordinate clauses together. I think
> we also need to be careful about assuming that all these structures appear
> in our writing as transformations.  If they do, they shouldn't be thought
> of as stylistic.  Complex clause structures seem natural to speech.  What
> writing tends to lead us toward is complexity built into noun phrases, a
> response to the pressure to build considerable meaning into the clause
> itself.  Relative clauses and appositional phrases may indeed be responses
> to that pressure, since both are involved in postnominal modification.
> Other kinds of subordination are much, much closer to speech.
>      Language acquisition is not my area of expertise, but your cautions
> seem worth serious consideration.  Like you, I am appalled at the lack of
> knowledge students bring to college.  It's not just lack of knowledge, but
> terrible misinformation and misunderstanding, some of which I'll pass on
> when I have the time.  I don't do it often, but I sometimes debrief my
> students on what they know before teaching anything, and the results would
> be comical if they weren't of such serious consequence.
>      I don't think you can teach clauses without teaching phrases.  I note
> that you start your own KISS grammar with prepositional phrases.  I would
> like to argue for constituency as a fundamental early concept, with phrase
> and clause as the core of that.   Wouldn't it be wonderful if students
> came to college with that?
>
>      Craig

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