Shun, I agree with you. Syntax is logical: it's just that we are good
at obscuring this fact with silly terminology. For instance,
does it make sense to say of this sentence that `lives' denotes habit
and `has been' result:
He lives in Hong Kong even though he has been in New York for years' ?
I urge that it does not: the foregoing sentence lives sensibly as a claim to
the
effect that someone remains (attitudinally, etc.) a Hong Kong dweller
despite his
long location in New York.
Besides, how can something be called a `result' when it has no cause?
Sophie
----- Original Message -----
From: shun Tang <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 1:28 PM
Subject: All for one and one for all
> Hello Sophie,
>
> All for one and one for all
>
> If we say that "He lives in Hong Kong" is some kind of action such as
habit,
> eternity, repeated action, endless action, you-name-it. We may use any
other
> tense to describe the action:
> Ex: He has lived in Hong Kong for 18 years. He is still living there. He
> said that he will live there for some more years and then go back to
> Australia.
>
> All the tenses here are in fact describing the same action. Different
tenses
> describe different part, that is, time of the action. All tenses are for
the
> same action, and so the same action is for all the tenses.
>
> This is therefore very different to the conventional view that we use
Simple
> Present to describe habit, and Present Perfect to describe result.
Actually,
> every tense can denote habit, or result.
>
> What do you say to this new idea?
>
> Shun
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>
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sophie Johnson
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 7:48 AM
> Subject: Re: `Clause' in TG
>
>
> My many thanks for Jeff's encouragement. Typically, I shall
> take unfair advantage of it, together with a walloping load of cheek,
> like this: Please will anyone who has nothing better to do visit the
> page `Introduction' on my site: http://www.englishgrammartutor.com/ .
> I ply an earnest argument for dropping the notion `clause' from TG's
> terminology. No-one so far has so much as cocked a snook at it.
> I am deadly serious but beginning to fear I might have misfired.
> Sophie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Glauner, Jeff
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 2:23 AM
> Subject: Re: `Clause' in TG
>
>
> Sophie,
>
> Don't be too good. You won't fit in. Throw your bait in the water. See
if
> anyone bites.
>
> Jeff Glauner
> Associate Professor of English
> Park University, Box 1303
> 8700 River Park Drive
> Parkville MO 64152
> [log in to unmask]
> http://www.park.edu/jglauner/index.htm
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sophie Johnson [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 11:23 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: `Clause' in TG
>
>
> Hello! I have just been admitted to your list and
> I am quite sure I sound like someone who walks into
> a room and bellows. Please forgive me, but I am anxious
> to find out what you are all talking about, and more anxious still
> to off-load my thoughts on the notion `clause' in Trad Gram's system.
> But promise: I shall be good hereafter.
>
> Sophie Johnson
> [log in to unmask]
> English Grammar Tutor
> http://www.englishgrammartutor.com/
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