Your example raises the question of what should be on such a test, which
gets us right back to the question of what a grammar curriculum should
cover.
The guard saw the escapee running through the tall grass.
"Running through the tall grass" here can be either an adjective clause
or an object complement, although I find the OC interpretation more
obvious. If I front the participial phrase,
Running through the tall grass, the guard saw the escapee,
it becomes adverbial.
But we're still back to the question of what people should know if they
are to know grammar.
Herb
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From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
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Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 10:47 AM
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Subject: Re: Grammar Certification
That's nice, but it still leaves room for someone not to know that
participial phrase and a reduced adejective clause are the same thing.
A certification test for grammar alone independent of getting a Master's
would be a real service for those who want and can teach grammar and for
those who want to hire qualified grammar teachers. It is also one more
line, one more certification on a C.V. so it cannot be a bad thing.
This would have been the best response to reports that grammar study was
somehow unimportant or ineffective. I have always been convinced that
most of the anti-grammar movement got its support primarily from those
afraid of being called to account for an insufficient background in
grammar. To this day whenever I hear someone extolling anti-grammar
attitudes I immediately know they will be EXTREMELY defensive about
their knowledge of grammar. Certification would take the bogey of
anti-grammar off the table and force everyone to do a few exercises
(which by the way is the fastest most efficient way to learn grammar).
Phil Bralich
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>From: "Stahlke, Herbert F.W." <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Aug 29, 2006 6:34 PM
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>Subject: Re: Grammar Certification
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>Ball State's MA TESOL program has always been somewhat conservative in
its curriculum. We require a basic linguistics coures, a grammar
course, a phonetics course, and a contrastive pragmatics class, as well
as the usual methods and other things. Grammar is also included in the
methods courses.
>
>Herb
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar on behalf of Phil
Bralich
>Sent: Tue 8/29/2006 5:12 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Grammar Certification
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>I am aware of that but this would be for grammar alone and would be a
bit more stringent. As you know TESOL was particularly hard hit by the
anti-grammar attitude and most out there still don't know their grammar.
However, I would't mind seeing the criteria for the grammar section are
you aware of where I could find one.
>
>Also this grammar certificate would be independent of an MA program. I
would be available for teachers from a a vareity of backgrounds in a
vareity of classes that may be called on to teach grammar in one of its
many forms which often would NOT require an MA in TESOL and for which in
fact an MA in TESOL may be wholly inappropriate.
>
>Phil Bralich
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: dabro
> Sent: Aug 29, 2006 6:03 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Grammar Certification
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>
> Phil:
>
> That's included in any "legitimate" Graduate TESL Certificate
Course, such as the one that I completed at Cal State, Long Beach.
>
> http://www.csulb.edu/depts/ling/certificate.htm
>
> Unfortunately, many prospective ESL teachers look for the
quickest and cheapest piece of paper they can find.
>
> http://www.aacircle.com.au/tesl_tefl.htm
>
> Peace,
>
> David Brown
> ESL/EFL Teacher
> Long Beach, CA
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> --- On Tue 08/29, Phil Bralich < [log in to unmask] > wrote:
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> From: Phil Bralich [mailto: [log in to unmask]]
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:01:25 -0400
> Subject: Grammar Certification
>
> I suggested earlier that those who need to hire teachers
to teach grammar should have prospects pass a grammar test to ensure
that the teacher's were qualified. It also might demonstrate if they are
interested. A number of posts suggested this could be problematic for a
number of reasaons. However, perhaps a grammar teacher certification
would be the better idea. A certification indicating that teacher's were
qualified to teach grammar to native speakers and another for ESL
teachers who wanted to teach ESL grammar (perhaps an advanced
certification for TOEFL grammar). This would give employers something to
add to their considerations when considering candidates and this would
give people who genuinely know their grammar a chance to demonstrate it
and get job preference in these situations. Thus helping get the grammar
jobs to the grammar incllined and away from those who are either
anti-grammar or grammar deluded (e.g. think they know grammar but do
not).
>
> Phil Bralich
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