When I began teaching in the '60s, my rural seventh grade English students
did not find the distinction difficult.   Then and today, "as were some 
other
great works" is preferable for written and formal spoken English.  If I were
back on the farm chatting with my country cousins, I might say "like" more
frequently but we rarely discuss 19th century English literature.
Scott Catledge
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> Date:    Tue, 22 Nov 2011 00:55:27 -0500
> From:    John Chorazy <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Like/as
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> Bruce - that's pretty much the approach I took with my students, rather
> than getting into too much more at this point. The sometimes subtle
> differentiation between *like* and *as* is a tough one for many, let alone
> high school juniors. And yet I can find merit for both versions, 
> especially
> if the sentence were turned around a bit: "The enduring horror tale *
> Frankenstein* was first published anonymously, like some other great
> works; etc..."  I also wonder if "as were" is an even more accurate phrase
> in either construction: "As were many other great works, the enduring
> horror tale..." - "*Frankenstein* was first published anonymously, as were
> some other great works..."
>
> Thank you.
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Bruce Despain <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> John,
>> You'll have to figure out the collective part, but I have my own opinion.
>> For me the sentences belongs in a written work and the preferred phrase 
>> is
>> introduced with "as with."  The preposition "like" has taken on a 
>> distinct
>> colloquial flavor, especially in some young people's dialects, where is
>> usually serves as a sentence modifier.  I would avoid it in written work.
>> Bruce
>>
>> --- [log in to unmask] wrote:
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>> From: John Chorazy <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Like/as
>> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:35:10 -0500
>>
>> Good afternoon to all.  I'd appreciate your collective comments on the
>> following:
>>
>> "As with (or) Like some other great works, the enduring horror tale
>> Frankenstein was first published anonymously; its author, Mary Shelly,
>> wrote the novel when she was just nineteen years old."
>>
>> *As* or *like* here, and why?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> --
>> John Chorazy
>> English III Honors and Academic
>> Pequannock Township High School
>> 973.616.6000
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> <div>Bruce - that&#39;s pretty much the approach I took with my students, 
> r=
> ather than getting into too much more at this point. The sometimes subtle 
> d=
> ifferentiation between <em>like</em> and <em>as</em> is a tough one for 
> man=
> y, let alone high school juniors. And yet I can find merit for both 
> version=
> s, especially if the sentence were turned around a bit: &quot;The enduring 
> =
> horror tale <em>Frankenstein</em> was first published anonymously, like 
> som=
> e other great works;=A0etc...&quot;=A0 I also wonder if &quot;as 
> were&quot;=
> is an even more accurate phrase in either construction: &quot;As were 
> many=
> other great works, the enduring horror tale...&quot; - 
> &quot;<em>Frankenst=
> ein</em> was first published anonymously, as were some other great 
> works...=
> &quot;</div>
> <div>=A0</div><div>Thank 
> you.</div><div>=A0</div><div>John</div><div><br><b=
> r>=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 7:16 PM, 
> Bruc=
> e Despain <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a 
> href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">bdesp=
> [log in to unmask]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
> <blockquote style=3D"margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex; 
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> olid;" class=3D"gmail_quote"><div style=3D"font-family: 
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> <div>John,</div>
> <div>You&#39;ll have to figure out the collective part, but I have my own 
> o=
> pinion.=A0 For me the sentences belongs in a written work and the 
> preferred=
> phrase is introduced with &quot;as with.&quot;=A0 The preposition 
> &quot;li=
> ke&quot; has taken on a distinct colloquial flavor, especially in some 
> youn=
> g people&#39;s dialects, where is usually serves as a sentence 
> modifier.=A0=
> I would avoid it in written work.=A0 </div>
>
> <div>Bruce<br><br>--- <a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" 
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> =3D"_blank">[log in to unmask]</a> wrote:<br><br>From: John 
> Choraz=
> y &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" 
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> To: <a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]" 
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> SERV.MUOHIO.EDU</a><br>Subject: Like/as<br>Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:35:10 
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> -0500<br><br></div>
> <div>Good afternoon to all.=A0 I&#39;d appreciate your collective comments 
> =
> on the following:</div>
> <div>=A0</div>
> <div>&quot;As with (or) Like some other great works, the enduring horror 
> ta=
> le Frankenstein was first published anonymously; its author, Mary Shelly, 
> w=
> rote the novel when she was just nineteen years old.&quot; </div>
> <div>=A0</div>
> <div><em>As</em> or <em>like</em> here, and why?</div>
> <div>=A0</div>
> <div>Thank you,</div>
> <div>=A0</div>
> <div>John</div>
> <div>=A0</div>
> <div><br>-- <br></div>
> <div>John Chorazy</div>
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> Date:    Tue, 22 Nov 2011 09:00:02 -0500
> From:    "Hancock, Craig G" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Like/as
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Tue, 22 Nov 2011 16:44:55 +0000
> From:    "Spruiell, William C" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Like/as
>
> Craig:
>
> Was S&W really allowing single nouns after 'like', but not any multiword 
> ph=
> rases? Or were they adopting the use of 'phrase' to refer only to PPs, 
> VPs,=
> etc.? If the former, that would be bizarrely wrong, but S&W are bizarrely 
> =
> wrong just often enough to make that reading plausible.
>
> --- Bill Spruiell
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 22, 2011, at 9:00 AM, "Hancock, Craig G" 
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto=
> :[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
> Marshall,
>    I am old enough to have been schooled in the old rules and to remember 
> =
> the controversy over the Winston ad.
>    I have an original edition elements of Style ( 1959) which lays it out 
> =
> this way: =93Like governs nouns and pronouns; before phrases and clauses 
> th=
> e equivalent word is as. =93 You would say =93As in the old days=94 rather 
> =
> than =93like in the old days=94 and =93as a cigarette should=94 rather 
> than=
> =93like a cigarette should.=94
>    S & W also describes the controversy and comes down on the side of the 
> =
> old rule. In essence, they are saying being current or in current usage 
> doe=
> sn=92t mean it=92s right. =93If every word or device that achieved 
> currency=
> were immediately authenticated, simply on the grounds of popularity, the 
> l=
> anguage would be as chaotic as a ball game with no foul lines.=94 This 
> rath=
> er strange (but telling) analogy is intact in my 1972 edition.
>
> Craig
>
> From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]
> OHIO.EDU] On Behalf Of Myers, Marshall
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 9:04 PM
> To: <mailto:[log in to unmask]> 
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:ATEG@=
> LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
> Subject: Re: Like/as
>
> Does anybody still use =93like=94 only as a verb (I like lemonade) or as a 
> =
> preposition (She looks like him), but not as a conjunction (You look like 
> y=
> ou could use a rest vs. You look as though you could use a rest)?
>
> =93Winston tastes good like a cigarette should. It may be bad grammar, but 
> =
> it=92s great taste,=94 a cigarette slogan out of the late 50=92s .
>
> Marshall
>
>
> From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]
> OHIO.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:[log in to unmask]]> On Behalf Of Dick Veit
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 8:10 PM
> To: <mailto:[log in to unmask]> 
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> LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
> Subject: Re: Like/as
>
> Unlike Bruce, I have absolutely no problem with "like" as a preposition, 
> or=
> ally or in writing.
>
> Bruce, if you object to "like," do you also object to "unlike," as in my 
> op=
> ening sentence?
>
> Dick
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 21, 2011, at 7:16 PM, Bruce Despain 
> <<mailto:[log in to unmask]>bdes=
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
> John,
> You'll have to figure out the collective part, but I have my own opinion. 
> =
> For me the sentences belongs in a written work and the preferred phrase is 
> =
> introduced with "as with."  The preposition "like" has taken on a distinct 
> =
> colloquial flavor, especially in some young people's dialects, where is 
> usu=
> ally serves as a sentence modifier.  I would avoid it in written work.
> Bruce
>
> --- <mailto:[log in to unmask]> 
> [log in to unmask]<mailto=
> :[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> From: John Chorazy 
> <<mailto:[log in to unmask]>john.chorazy@PEQUAN=
> NOCK.ORG<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> To: <mailto:[log in to unmask]> 
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:ATEG@=
> LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
> Subject: Like/as
> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:35:10 -0500
> Good afternoon to all.  I'd appreciate your collective comments on the 
> foll=
> owing:
>
> "As with (or) Like some other great works, the enduring horror tale 
> Franken=
> stein was first published anonymously; its author, Mary Shelly, wrote the 
> n=
> ovel when she was just nineteen years old."
>
> As or like here, and why?
>
> Thank you,
>
> John
>
>
> --
> John Chorazy
> English III Honors and Academic
> Pequannock Township High School
> 973.616.6000
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:06:22 -0500
> From:    "Hancock, Craig G" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Like/as
>
> Bill,
>    That's a great question. It's impossible to answer precisely because 
> th=
> is (and other largely prescriptive texts) doesn't have a section in which 
> a=
> wider description of the language is attempted. It doesn't have a 
> glossary=
> or index where one can look up "phrase" and get a clear sense of what the 
> =
> term applies to. And their examples are far too limited to be of use.
>    My guess is that they treat a head noun and its modifiers (what we 
> woul=
> d call noun phrase) as permissible. "Any performance like last week's 
> perfo=
> rmance would be unacceptable." I can't imagine using "as" in that sentence 
> =
> even though "last week's performance" is clearly a phrase and was treated 
> a=
> s such in the structural grammars operative at the time. (Parts of this 
> boo=
> k date back to 1935, but the usage discussion seems fifties oriented in 
> its=
> examples.) =20
>     There are sections of the book that I find clear and useful, other 
> sec=
> tions that seem almost goofy. I would put this advice in the goofy column.
>
> Craig=20
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]
> OHIO.EDU] On Behalf Of Spruiell, William C
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 11:45 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Like/as
>
> Craig:
>
> Was S&W really allowing single nouns after 'like', but not any multiword 
> ph=
> rases? Or were they adopting the use of 'phrase' to refer only to PPs, 
> VPs,=
> etc.? If the former, that would be bizarrely wrong, but S&W are bizarrely 
> =
> wrong just often enough to make that reading plausible.
>
> --- Bill Spruiell
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 22, 2011, at 9:00 AM, "Hancock, Craig G" 
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto=
> :[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
> Marshall,
>    I am old enough to have been schooled in the old rules and to remember 
> =
> the controversy over the Winston ad.
>    I have an original edition elements of Style ( 1959) which lays it out 
> =
> this way: "Like governs nouns and pronouns; before phrases and clauses the 
> =
> equivalent word is as. " You would say "As in the old days" rather than 
> "li=
> ke in the old days" and "as a cigarette should" rather than "like a 
> cigaret=
> te should."
>    S & W also describes the controversy and comes down on the side of the 
> =
> old rule. In essence, they are saying being current or in current usage 
> doe=
> sn't mean it's right. "If every word or device that achieved currency were 
> =
> immediately authenticated, simply on the grounds of popularity, the 
> languag=
> e would be as chaotic as a ball game with no foul lines." This rather 
> stran=
> ge (but telling) analogy is intact in my 1972 edition.
>
> Craig
>
> From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]
> OHIO.EDU] On Behalf Of Myers, Marshall
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 9:04 PM
> To: <mailto:[log in to unmask]> 
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:ATEG@=
> LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
> Subject: Re: Like/as
>
> Does anybody still use "like" only as a verb (I like lemonade) or as a 
> prep=
> osition (She looks like him), but not as a conjunction (You look like you 
> c=
> ould use a rest vs. You look as though you could use a rest)?
>
> "Winston tastes good like a cigarette should. It may be bad grammar, but 
> it=
> 's great taste," a cigarette slogan out of the late 50's .
>
> Marshall
>
>
> From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar 
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]
> OHIO.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:[log in to unmask]]> On Behalf Of Dick Veit
> Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 8:10 PM
> To: <mailto:[log in to unmask]> 
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:ATEG@=
> LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
> Subject: Re: Like/as
>
> Unlike Bruce, I have absolutely no problem with "like" as a preposition, 
> or=
> ally or in writing.
>
> Bruce, if you object to "like," do you also object to "unlike," as in my 
> op=
> ening sentence?
>
> Dick
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 21, 2011, at 7:16 PM, Bruce Despain 
> <<mailto:[log in to unmask]>bdes=
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
> John,
> You'll have to figure out the collective part, but I have my own opinion. 
> =
> For me the sentences belongs in a written work and the preferred phrase is 
> =
> introduced with "as with."  The preposition "like" has taken on a distinct 
> =
> colloquial flavor, especially in some young people's dialects, where is 
> usu=
> ally serves as a sentence modifier.  I would avoid it in written work.
> Bruce
>
> --- <mailto:[log in to unmask]> 
> [log in to unmask]<mailto=
> :[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> From: John Chorazy 
> <<mailto:[log in to unmask]>john.chorazy@PEQUAN=
> NOCK.ORG<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> To: <mailto:[log in to unmask]> 
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:ATEG@=
> LISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU>
> Subject: Like/as
> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:35:10 -0500
> Good afternoon to all.  I'd appreciate your collective comments on the 
> foll=
> owing:
>
> "As with (or) Like some other great works, the enduring horror tale 
> Franken=
> stein was first published anonymously; its author, Mary Shelly, wrote the 
> n=
> ovel when she was just nineteen years old."
>
> As or like here, and why?
>
> Thank you,
>
> John
>
>
> --
> John Chorazy
> English III Honors and Academic
> Pequannock Township High School
> 973.616.6000
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date:    Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:45:49 -0800
> From:    "Paul E. Doniger" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Like/as
>
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> I think I would side with Dick Veit on this one - not even sure how I 
> would=
> have =0Awritten it myself. I doubt I would have written "As were," 
> however=
> . Just one =0Afussy note, though - it's Mary Shelley, not 
> Shelly.=0A=0ASmil=
> es and a happy Thanksgiving to all.=0A=0APaul the fuss-pot=0A=A0"If this 
> we=
> re play'd upon a stage now, I could condemn it as an improbable 
> =0Afiction"=
> (_Twelfth Night_ 3.4.127-128). 
> =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________________________=
> _______=0AFrom: "Hancock, Craig G" <[log in to unmask]>=0ATo: 
> ATEG@LISTSER=
> V.MUOHIO.EDU=0ASent: Tue, November 22, 2011 1:06:22 PM=0ASubject: Re: 
> Like/=
> as=0A=0ABill,=0A=A0 =A0 That's a great question. It's impossible to answer 
> =
> precisely because this =0A(and other largely prescriptive texts) doesn't 
> ha=
> ve a section in which a wider =0Adescription of the language is attempted. 
> =
> It doesn't have a glossary or index =0Awhere one can look up "phrase" and 
> g=
> et a clear sense of what the term applies =0Ato. And their examples are 
> far=
> too limited to be of use.=0A=A0 =A0 My guess is that they treat a head 
> nou=
> n and its modifiers (what we would =0Acall noun phrase) as permissible. 
> "An=
> y performance like last week's performance =0Awould be unacceptable." I 
> can=
> 't imagine using "as" in that sentence even though =0A"last week's 
> performa=
> nce" is clearly a phrase and was treated as such in the =0Astructural 
> gramm=
> ars operative at the time. (Parts of this book date back to =0A1935, but 
> th=
> e usage discussion seems fifties oriented in its examples.)=A0 =0A=0A=A0 =
> =A0 There are sections of the book that I find clear and useful, other 
> sect=
> ions =0Athat seem almost goofy. I would put this advice in the goofy 
> column=
> .=0A=0ACraig =0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Assembly for the 
> Teac=
> hing of English Grammar =0A[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of 
> S=
> pruiell, William C=0ASent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 11:45 AM=0ATo: 
> ATEG@L=
> ISTSERV.MUOHIO.EDU=0ASubject: Re: Like/as=0A=0ACraig:=0A=0AWas S&W really 
> a=
> llowing single nouns after 'like', but not any multiword =0Aphrases? Or 
> wer=
> e they adopting the use of 'phrase' to refer only to PPs, VPs, =0Aetc.? If 
> =
> the former, that would be bizarrely wrong, but S&W are bizarrely wrong 
> =0Aj=
> ust often enough to make that reading plausible.=0A=0A--- Bill 
> Spruiell=0A=
> =0A=0A=0A=0AOn Nov 22, 2011, at 9:00 AM, "Hancock, Craig G" 
> =0A<chancock@AL=
> BANY.EDU<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:=0A=0AMarshall,=0A=A0 =A0 I am 
> =
> old enough to have been schooled in the old rules and to remember the 
> =0Aco=
> ntroversy over the Winston ad.=0A=A0 =A0 I have an original edition 
> element=
> s of Style ( 1959) which lays it out this =0Away: "Like governs nouns and 
> p=
> ronouns; before phrases and clauses the equivalent =0Aword is as. " You 
> wou=
> ld say "As in the old days" rather than "like in the old =0Adays" and "as 
> a=
> cigarette should" rather than "like a cigarette should."=0A=A0 =A0 S & W 
> a=
> lso describes the controversy and comes down on the side of the old 
> =0Arule=
> . In essence, they are saying being current or in current usage doesn't 
> mea=
> n =0Ait's right. "If every word or device that achieved currency were 
> immed=
> iately =0Aauthenticated, simply on the grounds of popularity, the language 
> =
> would be as =0Achaotic as a ball game with no foul lines." This rather 
> stra=
> nge (but telling) =0Aanalogy is intact in my 1972 
> edition.=0A=0ACraig=0A=0A=
> From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar 
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