I would not say that "exciting was an adjective made out of a verb but a
present participle used as an adjective--a concept that I taught early on.
When I stated that any word could be used as a noun, I was challenged by a
student who said, "'The' can't be used as a noun." I then asked her to
diagram
her statement. When she did, the class saw that "The" was a subject. I
then
asked if "The" was used as a pronoun: they replied almost in unison, "No,
it's
used as a noun. The young lady just shook her head and said, "'The' can't
be
no noun!" I stated that she was quite right that 'the' could not be a noun;
it
could, however, be used as a noun--as we clearly saw from the diagram. I
never did convince her and, on the final exam, a similar response took her
exam grade from a C to a D=--lowering her final average from a C to a C-.
She complained; however, we had few, if any, options at that time on
determining final grades.
Scott Catledge
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> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:59:33 -0800
> From: Scott Woods <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: grammar question--verb v. participle
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> Dear List,
>
> How would you describe "exciting" in the following sentence?
>
> <What had been exciting gave her a feeling of dazed helplessness.>
>
> How would you explain your reasoning to 7th graders?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott Woods
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> <html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff;
> font-family:times new roman, new york, times,
> serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Dear List,</div><div><br></div><div>How would
> you describe "exciting" in the following
> sentence?</div><div><br></div><div><What had been exciting gave her a
> feeling of dazed helplessness.></div><div><br></div><div>How would you
> explain your reasoning to 7th
> graders?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Scott
> Woods<br></div></div></body></html>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:49:32 +0000
> From: "Spruiell, William C" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle
>
> Scott --
>
> I'd say it was an adjective, of the type that's made out of a verb (if the
> =
> class has talked in some way about participles, with or without the term
> ac=
> tually being used). You can put "very" in front of it easily, which
> support=
> s the idea that it's an adjective or adverb, and you can rule out adverb
> fa=
> irly easily too (it's not movable, you should be able to say "excitingly"
> t=
> here if it were an adverb, etc.). If the class hasn't talked about verb
> for=
> ms being used as adjectives, maybe this would be a good place to bring it
> u=
> p. You can nudge the word verbwards by adding something interpretable only
> =
> as an object: "What had been exciting everyone now just made them
> confused"=
> (but then the "very" test bombs).
>
> If you're talking about grammatical role, it's a subject complement inside
> =
> a wh-clause acting as subject=85 but I was guessing that seventh grade
> prob=
> ably hasn't focused much on nominal clauses and embedding.
>
> --- Bill Spruiell
>
> From: Scott Woods <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> Reply-To: ATEG English Grammar
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:ATEG@LISTSE=
> RV.MUOHIO.EDU>>
> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:59:33 -0800
> To: ATEG English Grammar
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]
> HIO.EDU>>
> Subject: grammar question--verb v. participle
>
> Dear List,
>
> How would you describe "exciting" in the following sentence?
>
> <What had been exciting gave her a feeling of dazed helplessness.>
>
> How would you explain your reasoning to 7th graders?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott Woods
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:54:59 +0000
> From: "Myers, Marshall" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle
>
> Scott,
>
> I concur with Bill.
>
> "Interesting" and "boring" are also seen as "exciting" is.
>
> Marshall
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]
> OHIO.EDU] On Behalf Of Spruiell, William C
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:50 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle
>
> Scott --
>
> I'd say it was an adjective, of the type that's made out of a verb (if the
> =
> class has talked in some way about participles, with or without the term
> ac=
> tually being used). You can put "very" in front of it easily, which
> support=
> s the idea that it's an adjective or adverb, and you can rule out adverb
> fa=
> irly easily too (it's not movable, you should be able to say "excitingly"
> t=
> here if it were an adverb, etc.). If the class hasn't talked about verb
> for=
> ms being used as adjectives, maybe this would be a good place to bring it
> u=
> p. You can nudge the word verbwards by adding something interpretable only
> =
> as an object: "What had been exciting everyone now just made them
> confused"=
> (but then the "very" test bombs).
>
> If you're talking about grammatical role, it's a subject complement inside
> =
> a wh-clause acting as subject... but I was guessing that seventh grade
> prob=
> ably hasn't focused much on nominal clauses and embedding.
>
> --- Bill Spruiell
>
> From: Scott Woods <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> Reply-To: ATEG English Grammar
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:ATEG@LISTSE=
> RV.MUOHIO.EDU>>
> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:59:33 -0800
> To: ATEG English Grammar
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]
> HIO.EDU>>
> Subject: grammar question--verb v. participle
>
> Dear List,
>
> How would you describe "exciting" in the following sentence?
>
> <What had been exciting gave her a feeling of dazed helplessness.>
>
> How would you explain your reasoning to 7th graders?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott Woods
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> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:54:40 -0500
> From: MARTHA KOLLN <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle
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> Another adjective test besides "very": "more exciting.
>
> Martha
>
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 02:54 PM, "Myers, Marshall" <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>>
> Scott,
>>
>>I concur with Bill.
>>
>>"Interesting" and "boring" are also seen as
>>"exciting" is.
>>
>>Marshall
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
>>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Spruiell, William C
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:50 PM
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>
>>Scott --
>>
>>I'd say it was an adjective, of the type that's made out of a verb (if the
>>class has talked in some way about participles, with or without the term
>>actually being used). You can put "very" in front of it easily,
>>which supports the idea that it's an adjective or adverb, and you can rule
>>out
>>adverb fairly easily too (it's not movable, you should be able to say
>>"excitingly" there if it were an adverb, etc.). If the class
>>hasn't talked about verb forms being used as adjectives, maybe this would
>>be a
>>good place to bring it up. You can nudge the word verbwards by adding
>>something
>>interpretable only as an object: "What had been exciting everyone now just
>>made them confused" (but then the "very" test bombs).
>>
>>If you're talking about grammatical role, it's a subject complement inside
>>a
>>wh-clause acting as subject... but I was guessing that seventh grade
>>probably
>>hasn't focused much on nominal clauses and embedding.
>>
>>--- Bill Spruiell
>>
>>From: Scott Woods <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: ATEG English Grammar
>><[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:59:33 -0800
>>To: ATEG English Grammar
>><[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>Subject: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>
>>Dear List,
>>
>>How would you describe "exciting" in the following sentence?
>>
>><What had been exciting gave her a feeling of dazed helplessness.>
>>
>>How would you explain your reasoning to 7th graders?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Scott Woods
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> Martha Kolln
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> <div>Another adjective test besides "very": "more
> exciting.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Martha<br><br>On Tue,
> Nov 8,
> 2011 02:54 PM, <b>"Myers, Marshall" <[log in to unmask]></b>
> wrote:<br><blockquote id="quoted_response" style="padding-left: 3px;
> padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 3px; margin-right: 0px; border-left: 1px
> solid
> #000;">
> <pre>
> Scott,
>
> I concur with Bill.
>
> "Interesting" and "boring" are also seen as
> "exciting" is.
>
> Marshall
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Spruiell, William C
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:50 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle
>
> Scott --
>
> I'd say it was an adjective, of the type that's made out of a verb (if the
> class has talked in some way about participles, with or without the term
> actually being used). You can put "very" in front of it easily,
> which supports the idea that it's an adjective or adverb, and you can rule
> out
> adverb fairly easily too (it's not movable, you should be able to say
> "excitingly" there if it were an adverb, etc.). If the class
> hasn't talked about verb forms being used as adjectives, maybe this would
> be a
> good place to bring it up. You can nudge the word verbwards by adding
> something
> interpretable only as an object: "What had been exciting everyone now just
> made them confused" (but then the "very" test bombs).
>
> If you're talking about grammatical role, it's a subject complement inside
> a
> wh-clause acting as subject... but I was guessing that seventh grade
> probably
> hasn't focused much on nominal clauses and embedding.
>
> --- Bill Spruiell
>
> From: Scott Woods
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Reply-To: ATEG English Grammar
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:59:33 -0800
> To: ATEG English Grammar
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: grammar question--verb v. participle
>
> Dear List,
>
> How would you describe "exciting" in the following sentence?
>
> <What had been exciting gave her a feeling of dazed helplessness.>
>
> How would you explain your reasoning to 7th graders?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Scott Woods
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> </pre></blockquote>Martha Kolln<br><br><br></div>
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> ------------------------------
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> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:57:12 +0000
> From: "Myers, Marshall" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle
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