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Craig Hancock <[log in to unmask]>
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Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar <[log in to unmask]>
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Tue, 28 Mar 2006 09:26:03 -0500
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Stephanie,
  I wrote my reply before I read Martha's, so I'm glad I said I wasn't
sure and would be happy to be corrected. (If you didn't receive it, her
message is below mine on t6his message.) Martha's example is very clear,
and I'm now ready to accept your analysis of "I sent him the gift
unwrapped" as BOTH di-transitive (having an indirect object) and complex
transitive (having an object complement.) >
   My thinking now is that this kind of mixture is highly unusual enough
to be thought of as a rare exception to the idea that clauses tend to
follow one pattern or another, but not more than one. (Sort of like the
platypus as an egg laying mammal.)
   "Give" and "serve" are both verbs that can be di-transitive OR complex
transitive, and it seems from these examples that they can occasionally
be both.
   "She served the coffee black." (The coffee is black because she served
it that way. "Black" is clearly what is traditionally called an object
complement.)
   "She served him the coffee." ("him" is clearly indirect object.)
   "She served him his coffee black."  Clearly has both.
   With that parallel, I don't see why "unwrapped" can't be considered an
object complement as well, particularly if it conveys the sense that
being "unwrapped" was caused by the giver.
   I think I saw "eighth grader" before your name and then didn't give
proper respect to your analysis. Thank you for posing this question and
helping me to think outside the box of my old understanding.
   I hope some of the things I said in my first post have been helpful. We
often solve problems on our list by proposing solutions and then
amending them.  (We can be useful to each other by being willing to try
out answers even when they may be partly wrong.) I hope this was of
some help.


Craig Hancock
Hi Stephanie,
>
> That's a good question!
>
> Usually verbs, like "give," that have indirect objects, are in a
> separate class from verbs like "consider" or "elect," those that have
> object complements.  But here's one that appears to have both:
>
> 	The waitress served me my coffee black.
>
> Does that work?
>
> I'm glad to know that you're learning about grammar in eighth grade.
> Please give my regards to your teacher and fellow students.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Martha Kolln
>
>
>
>
>
>>I received the inquiry below from an eighth grader. Would any of you
>>care to send an answer to Stephanie ([log in to unmask]), with a CC to
>>this list ([log in to unmask])?
>>________________________
>>
>>Richard Veit
>>Department of English, UNCW
>>Wilmington, NC 28403-5947
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Stephanie !!! [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>Sent: Friday, March 24, 2006 7:48 PM
>>To: Veit, Richard
>>Subject: Question about Complements
>>
>>Dear Mr. Veit,
>>
>>Hi, I'm Stephanie Lim, an 8th grader attending Pinewood School, CA,and I
>>would like to know whether or not an indirect object and an objective
>>complement can exist to be grammatically correct in a sentence.
>>Currently in our Writing class we have been learning about complements,
>>indirect object, direct object, and objective complements, and our
>>teacher is unsure of whether an indirect object and an objective
>>complement can be in the same snetence because many grammar textbooks do
>>not state if in that case it is correct or incorrect.
>>
>>I am very interested whether sentences can obtain an indirect object and
>>obective complement like in the sentence "I gave him the present
>>unwrapped" because i would like to acknowledge people whether that in
>>this case the sentence can be grammatically correct or incorrect and
>>why. Thank you for taking your time to read my request.Please reply to
>>me soon if possible. Thank you for reading my email again.
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>
>>Stephanie Lim
>>
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