Herb,
Thanks,
Marshall
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Marshal,
"Humble" is another of those French loan words that came into English, in this case in the 13th c., without the /h/. Some dialects kept it that way and some added the /h/. It's pretty irregular.
Herb
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ATEG Members:
In the part of Kentucky I was reared there were speakers who did not pronounce the h in humble.
I wonder why that is? The speakers were native to the area, but who generally were not in the mainstream of other speakers in the area.
Marshall
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Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 12:28 PM
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I appreciated Herb's historical tour of h-words in English. It did seem, however, a round-about way of answering Scott's question. I get Herb's point that the pronunciation of h or not is tied to individual speakers and speech contexts. I feel comfortable with that answer.
However, Scott's speech seems to be showing a regular pattern. He pronounces the h when the initial syllable of the word is stressed (as in a history book), but he elides it when the initial syllable is unstressed (as in an historical or an hysterical). Did I miss something in the previous discussion that makes this answer seem too simple?
Another interesting h-word not mentioned so far is "herb." My daughter-in-law, who grew up in the south of England and has retained a strong British accent, pronounces that word with the h, as we would pronounce Herb Stahlke's name. Do many Americans use h-sound when talking about "herbs and spices"?
R. Michael Medley, Ph.D.
Professor of English
Eastern Mennonite University
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