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Hi Jack,



I apologize for the delay in responding. I've been working on a major

series and the deadlines are fierce. Thanks for your patience.



Your approach of working with sentence structures really resonates with me.

I see sentence frames as training wheels that allow students to produce

clear, coherent ideas. These "training wheels" level the playing field and

allow students to focus on their ideas rather than spend tons of time

thinking about structuring the ideas - a daunting task for most. Once there

is a level of comfort with the structures then students can explore

different ways of expressing their ideas and discard the "wheels". That's

how I see it at the moment.



I'm happy to send you a presentation Kate Kinsella gave at a TESOL

conference a few years back (please excuse the scratchy notes I've made

throughout). Her work involves teaching ESL and Academic English to

students at the junior high (and high school, I think), but I find the

approach and ideas incredibly helpful. Her assertion is that many students,

especially those in urban areas from disadvantaged backgrounds, are

"Academic English Second Language Learners." I spent five years teaching in

Harlem in the 90s, and I really felt that many students - not just my ESL

students - needed help in the language of textbooks. I think that children

who are read to at a young age acquire this passive understanding of  all

these complex structures of English through the contexts of storytelling

(besides other interactions). As a result, they  can make that transition

to reading academic texts and writing sophisticated prose more easily than

my ESL students or Gen 1.5ers and others without those experiences.

Sentence frames make this language more accessible in a very concrete way.



I'll be preparing for my  first class of the semester this weekend, so I'll

be digging up the rubric. I'll send it out to anyone who's interested.  The

texts I use for the activity are actually paragraphs, I noticed, not essays

as I mentioned before. At my level, students first review paragraph format

and then I introduce the essay later. Since students often 'test into' my

level, this class is the first they've taken at the  college level, so I

need to generate awareness of the structure of a paragraph first. The ideas

are simplistic, but the activity works as a quick introduction without

being tedious for my level of students.



Terre

Teresa Lintner

Senior Development Editor

Cambridge University Press

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From:	"Dixon, Jack" <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:	12/25/2011 06:54 AM

Subject:	Re: Spoken vs. formal written English

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Terre:



Thank you for your detailed response.  I do want to check out Kate

Kinsella’s work in using academic vocabulary and sentence frames. (Any

titles in particular where I should start?)  I am familiar with "They Say,

I Say" and agree that it can be useful for helping students understand

those deeper cognitive structures that academic writers use – actually used

by more than just academics.



I would like a copy of your rubric if you are willing to share.  Are the

two essays you use pieces that you have collected or written yourself, or

are they published somewhere so that I could access them?



What I like about your strategies for teaching academic vocabulary and

using sentence frames is that you are teaching students how to communicate

without putting the focus on error.  So many objectives that involve

developing language proficiency involve error avoidance or correction.

While correcting errors is important, teaching students how to accomplish

larger rhetorical goals seems more productive to me.  In my classes over

the last few years (developmental writing and freshman English at an

open-admissions community college), I have worked with sentence imitation,

tied with comprehension.  I take sentences with some level of structural

complexity that I can be fairly sure my students will understand when we

read and discuss them.  I then model imitating the structure, not the

content; we do a few together; then, I have them write a few original

sentences which we read around the room.  At the end of that session, the

students feel they have done something important.



My underlying goal is to show them that, in fact, they know more grammar

than they think they do and that we are going to build on what they know.

As we discuss how any given structure works, I begin to introduce them to

the concepts of phrases, clauses, punctuation – all tied to the ways the

meaning gets conveyed.



Jack





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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:55 AM

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Subject: Re: Spoken vs. formal written English



Hi Jack,



Several people have contacted me individually about this exercise.  I'm

happy to share my rubric with you (and anyone else), if you'd like. I'm an

editor by day, but at night I teach an intermediate level ESL grammar and

academic writing class at a community college. Every semester I've gotten a

few Gen 1.5ers and they're usually quite frustrated  because they don't see

themselves as ESL students - and they're not the typical student in my

class. Because of learning English by 'ear', their level of proficiency is

hard to pinpoint - they use passive constructions but leave out verb

inflections and auxiliaries and have lots of SPEWD.The exercise has been a

way for me to address the issue of spoken vs. written English right from

the start in a way that makes my Gen 1.5ers feel a sense of accomplishment

that they've "mastered" a register in English. It also helps them

understand what they need to focus on in writing.  The rest of the class

understands why they can't understand what English speakers are saying

around them even though they have some knowledge of the grammatical rules.



The  challenge is figuring out ways of teaching that help them learn this

register in speaking and writing. I've been very influenced by Kate

Kinsella's work in using academic vocabulary and sentence frames in spoken

tasks to help students become familiar with this language. If the students

have learned the language by 'ear' then it seems likely that if they are

given opportunities to use academic language to express ideas, then this

language will seep into their writing more naturally. That's my thinking

and that's what I'm exploring more and more in my teaching. I'm also

reading "They Say, I Say", which, I think, takes a similar approach in

terms of sentence frames.



I'm happy to hear from others on this topic.



Terre





Teresa Lintner

Senior Development Editor

Cambridge University Press

32 Avenue of the Americas

New York, New York 10013-2473

Telephone: 212 337-5070

Fax: 212 645-5960

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From:   "Dixon, Jack" <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:   12/21/2011 09:26 PM

Subject:        Re: Spoken vs. formal written English

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This strategy sounds excellent.



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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:09 AM

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Subject: Re: Spoken vs. formal written English



Hi Steve,



The Longman Grammar of Spoken and Written English would be a good resource.

One thing I do with my ESL students at the beginning of the semester is to

present them with two short essays on the same topic, one written in SPEWD

(I love that acronym!) and the other in academic English. Then I ask them

to analyze the two essays using a rubric that helps them recognize the

differences between the two registers.  A revelation for my Gen 1.5ers is

realizing that  "gonna" is actually "going to."



Terre





Teresa Lintner

Senior Development Editor

Cambridge University Press

32 Avenue of the Americas

New York, New York 10013-2473

Telephone: 212 337-5070

Fax: 212 645-5960

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From:   Stephen King <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:   12/20/2011 06:57 PM

Subject:        Spoken vs. formal written English

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Can anyone direct me to a text that focuses, at length, on the differences

between spoken and written versions of language? It seems to me that a

great many of my community college students, especially those who have been

out of school for some time, use a version of English that could be

characterized as "Spoken English Written Down." (A colleague suggested the

acronym "SPEWD.") I have my own list of those differences, but am looking

for other resources. Many thanks in advance!



Steve King



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