Bob,
   I agree with some conservatives much more than I agree with others. I
don't like the views of grammar typical of "progressive" educators.
This sort of response doesn't help. I don't think "conservative" is a
bad name.
  ATEG is a conservative organization. Most of the conversation on list is
about whether something is "correct" or about how to classify something,
usually using structural or traditional grammar as the lens. If you are
interested in alternative approaches, as I am, you can feel somewhat
lonely. It's not just that people disagree with those views, but that
there's not the sort of robust discussion about them that there should
be on a grammar list. As groups go, it's a conservative group.
   If that's the case, it would make sense that many people would wonder
why we need a scope and sequence. Don't they already exist? Isn't it a
matter of just getting endorsement for the gramamr that's already out
there?
   I don't agree with that position, but I can respect it. I can also try
to understand the nature of the difficulties involved in moving forward
with a scope and sequence throught ATEG.
  1) NCTE is oppossed to it, and we are an NCTE subgroup.
  2) Most people on ATEG adhere to perspectives on gramamr that are
already somewhat established (even if their teaching is not.) Frankly, I
think we would be much better off if we went back to the teaching of
grammar I was given growing up, but we don't necessarily have to do
that. A great deal has happened since the 1950's, much of it so much
more friendly to applications in reading and writing.

Craig>

What an  interesting way of characterizing views of grammar that disagree
> with your own!
>
> Craig writes:
>
> My own tendency has been to lobby for new  ways of looking at grammar, but
> ATEG has long been an organization made
> up of people with fairly conservative (not regressive, not by a long
> shot) views.  This was hard on me because I felt I had a lot invested in
> the project, but would be asked to shut out from the conversation the
> new possibilities in grammar that excite me the most.
>
> ****
> Of course, there is no hostility in characterizing others views with the
> term "fairly conservative."
>
> Craig, I appreciate such an honest appraisal of others views of the nature
> of language.
>
> Bob Yates, University of Central Missouri
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