I was offered a tenure-track university professorship teaching advanced
grammar and ESOL; my secular doctorate in contrastive linguistics (Eng &
Spn).
Scott Catledge
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Dear ATEG members:
I'm researching who most typically teaches the grammar course (or preferably
two or more classes involving study of language, grammar, and/or methods of
incorporating language instruction into one's curriculum) in programs that
prepare secondary education students in English Language Arts. Are people
with PhDs in linguistics more commonly recruited? Or those with some
combination of linguistics, education, comp/rhet, etc.? I'd love to hear
about the backgrounds of people who typically teach such courses at your
instititutions.
Thanks so much,
Andrew
Andrew Smyth
Assistant Professor of English
Southern Connecticut State University
501 Crescent Street
New Haven, CT 06515
(203) 392-5113
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I’m researching who most typically teaches the
grammar
course (or preferably two or more classes involving study of language,
grammar,
and/or methods of incorporating language instruction into one’s
curriculum) in programs that prepare secondary education students in English
Language Arts. Are people with PhDs in linguistics more commonly
recruited? Or those with some combination of linguistics, education,
comp/rhet, etc.? I’d love to hear about the backgrounds of
people
who typically teach such courses at your
instititutions.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Thanks so much,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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In our English Ed. program, we currently have an English Ed. doctoral
student teaching our =B3Teaching Grammar and Language=B2 methods course. He
is
ABD, has K-12 teaching experience, ELL teaching experience, coursework in
linguistics, and a TESOL master=B9s degree. Next year I will teach the
course=
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my doctorate is from a Language, Literacy and Culture program (in a School
of Ed.) and I also have K-12, college composition, and ELL teaching
experience. We=B9ve never had anyone from linguistics teach the course, but
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try to find instructors who straddle linguistics and education.
Our program requires one prerequisite in the area of language =AD either
History of the English Language or Uses of Literacy. Both are typically
taught by adjunct instructors in the English Department. We are hoping to
change our language-related prereqs to add one from linguistics on the
structure of the English language. Hope that helps...
Amanda
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prefera=
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> two or more classes involving study of language, grammar, and/or methods =
of
> incorporating language instruction into one=B9s curriculum) in programs
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> prepare secondary education students in English Language Arts. Are peopl=
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> with PhDs in linguistics more commonly recruited? Or those with some
> combination of linguistics, education, comp/rhet, etc.? I=B9d love to
hear
> about the backgrounds of people who typically teach such courses at your
> instititutions.
> =20
> Thanks so much,
> =20
> Andrew
> =20
> =20
> =20
> =20
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> Andrew Smyth
> Assistant Professor of English
> Southern Connecticut State University
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> (203) 392-5113
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(203) 392-5113<BR>
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Andrew and All,
I will be very interested in seeing the responses to this inquiry. We do
not currently have a "Grammar" pedagogy course at my institution (although
we have a 6 hour Linguistics component for our Teacher Preparation
candidates), and it is usually incorporated into two other courses (Teaching
Writing and Studies in English for Teachers). I hold a Ph.D. in Curriculum
and Instruction and have just returned to higher education after six years
of teaching in the public schools. I have little formal training in
linguistics beyond my undergraduate English major.
My interest currently is in seeing how other programs treat this issue. I
would like to explore adding a Language pedagogy course to complement our
Writing pedagogy and Literature pedagogy courses.
Rob
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Robert Lockhart
Assistant Professor, English Education
Curriculum and Instruction
A301D Ginger Hall
Morehead State University
Morehead, Kentucky 40351
Office: 606.783.2834
Fax: 606.783.5044
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Dear ATEG members:
I'm researching who most typically teaches the grammar course (or preferably
two or more classes involving study of language, grammar, and/or methods of
incorporating language instruction into one's curriculum) in programs that
prepare secondary education students in English Language Arts. Are people
with PhDs in linguistics more commonly recruited? Or those with some
combination of linguistics, education, comp/rhet, etc.? I'd love to hear
about the backgrounds of people who typically teach such courses at your
instititutions.
Thanks so much,
Andrew
Andrew Smyth
Assistant Professor of English
Southern Connecticut State University
501 Crescent Street
New Haven, CT 06515
(203) 392-5113
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Studies in
English for Teachers). I hold a Ph.D. in Curriculum and =
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how
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Language pedagogy course to complement our Writing pedagogy and =
Literature
pedagogy courses.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I’m researching who most typically teaches the =
grammar
course (or preferably two or more classes involving study of language, =
grammar,
and/or methods of incorporating language instruction into one’s =
curriculum)
in programs that prepare secondary education students in English =
Language
Arts. Are people with PhDs in linguistics more commonly =
recruited?
Or those with some combination of linguistics, education, comp/rhet,
etc.? I’d love to hear about the backgrounds of people who
typically teach such courses at your =
instititutions.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:01:51 -0500
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Subject: Re: Who Teaches the Grammar Course?
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Our English Department offers four courses: The Structure of English (requ=
ired of all English Education majors), History of the English Language, Nor=
th American English Dialects, and Introduction to Language & Linguistics. =
My Ph.D. is in English Language and Linguistics, and I teach all four cours=
es, in addition to English Composition.
Dwayne Strasheim
Professor of English
Hastings College
________________________________
From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask]
OHIO.EDU] On Behalf Of Andrew Smyth
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 7:41 AM
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Subject: Who Teaches the Grammar Course?
Dear ATEG members:
I'm researching who most typically teaches the grammar course (or preferabl=
y two or more classes involving study of language, grammar, and/or methods =
of incorporating language instruction into one's curriculum) in programs th=
at prepare secondary education students in English Language Arts. Are peop=
le with PhDs in linguistics more commonly recruited? Or those with some co=
mbination of linguistics, education, comp/rhet, etc.? I'd love to hear abo=
ut the backgrounds of people who typically teach such courses at your insti=
titutions.
Thanks so much,
Andrew
Andrew Smyth
Assistant Professor of English
Southern Connecticut State University
501 Crescent Street
New Haven, CT 06515
(203) 392-5113
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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 13:28:39 -0400
From: Craig Hancock <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Who Teaches the Grammar Course?
Andrew,
Historically, the course I now teach (on the books as =93Traditional=20
English Grammar and Usage=94) was taught by an unapologetic, died in the=20
wool prescriptivist with a background in English, but not composition or=20
linguistics. She would let students take tests over and over until they=20
had =93mastered=92 a unit. She had a very loyal and appreciative followin=
g=20
because she invested a great deal of her own time and energy=20
accomplishing what she and many students thought was important=97using th=
e=20
language =93correctly,=94 at least as well as she was able to define=20
correctness and measure it with follow-up tests.
At one point, there were objections in the department, and the course=20
description was amended to include a requirement of orientation to=20
linguistic grammars along with the =93traditional=94.
Two other people taught it prior to myself. One was an English teacher=20
who, as I was told, told her students it would be =93painful, but useful=94=
.=20
The other was a language teacher (Slavic languages) who had much wider=20
background in languages, but tried to teach this course in a more error=20
focused, workbook manor because he thought that was what was expected.=20
His view was that the course is almost unteachable.
My own background is in English with an emphasis in composition,=20
including teaching writing to nontraditional students (sometimes poorly=20
named as Basic Writing.) My own approach has been to approach=20
traditional grammar from a functional perspective. Because I couldn=92t=20
find a text I was comfortable with, I wrote my own and revised it on the=20
basis of its usefulness with several classes. What I know from=20
linguistics has mainly been gathered through my own study and the help=20
of many people, ATEG very much included.
There are people in the English department who like and deeply respect=20
what I am doing. For the department as a whole, it is rather low=20
priority. I suspect that most don=92t feel the course requires much=20
expertise.
Teaching majors on this campus, at least last time I checked, have been=20
able to fulfill a language study requirement in a number of ways,=20
including a single survey course in linguistics, which includes only a=20
few weeks on =93syntax.=94 Education professors have mentioned that gradu=
ate=20
students have very little background in language and see it as a=20
problem. It is hard to talk about implementing language in the=20
curriculum when the teachers themselves have little or no background=20
knowledge to bring to bear.
NCTE=92s own standards say teachers should know a great deal about=20
language, but they have never followed that up with recommendations for=20
specific courses, and, until recently, they have coupled that with a=20
position that formal grammar study should not be part of the English=20
curriculum. Students need to =93acquire=94 language, but do not need to k=
now=20
about it. Historically, at least, the view is that teachers need to=20
guide the acquisition, but not pass on their own knowledge in the=20
process. It has been very much a mixed message.
Craig
Andrew Smyth wrote:
>
> Dear ATEG members:
>
> I=92m researching who most typically teaches the grammar course (or=20
> preferably two or more classes involving study of language, grammar,=20
> and/or methods of incorporating language instruction into one=92s=20
> curriculum) in programs that prepare secondary education students in=20
> English Language Arts. Are people with PhDs in linguistics more=20
> commonly recruited? Or those with some combination of linguistics,=20
> education, comp/rhet, etc.? I=92d love to hear about the backgrounds of=
=20
> people who typically teach such courses at your instititutions.
>
> Thanks so much,
>
> Andrew
>
> Andrew Smyth
>
> Assistant Professor of English
>
> Southern Connecticut State University
>
> 501 Crescent Street
>
> New Haven, CT 06515
>
> (203) 392-5113
>
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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 13:49:37 -0400
From: William Hillaker <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Who Teaches the Grammar Course?
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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 11:14:10 -0700
From: "Castilleja, Janet" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Who Teaches the Grammar Course?
I teach at a very small, private college that teaches classes on several
campuses. I teach the Modern Grammar course on this campus that is
required of Ed students who will teach English, ESL or Bilingual
Education. We used to require these students to take History of
English, also, but no more. It has been difficult to find teachers for
the satellite sites and we increasingly rely on people who have gotten
their M. Ed.(s) in English, with mixed results.
In the past, I have used a functional approach, but we are now using
Grammar for Grammarians: Prescriptive, Descriptive, Generative,
Contextual by Parker and Riley. This is my first semester with this
book and my class starts tomorrow, so I am not sure how it will go.
I have an M.A. that I wrote myself, but which is very similar to degrees
that used to be called Applied Linguistics. It was basically a
combination of English, linguistics, education and foreign language
classes.
Janet Castilleja
Heritage University
Toppenish WA
-----Original Message-----
From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Craig Hancock
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 10:29 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Who Teaches the Grammar Course?
Andrew,
Historically, the course I now teach (on the books as "Traditional=20
English Grammar and Usage") was taught by an unapologetic, died in the=20
wool prescriptivist with a background in English, but not composition or
linguistics. She would let students take tests over and over until they=20
had "mastered' a unit. She had a very loyal and appreciative following=20
because she invested a great deal of her own time and energy=20
accomplishing what she and many students thought was important-using the
language "correctly," at least as well as she was able to define=20
correctness and measure it with follow-up tests.
At one point, there were objections in the department, and the course=20
description was amended to include a requirement of orientation to=20
linguistic grammars along with the "traditional".
Two other people taught it prior to myself. One was an English teacher=20
who, as I was told, told her students it would be "painful, but useful".
The other was a language teacher (Slavic languages) who had much wider=20
background in languages, but tried to teach this course in a more error=20
focused, workbook manor because he thought that was what was expected.=20
His view was that the course is almost unteachable.
My own background is in English with an emphasis in composition,=20
including teaching writing to nontraditional students (sometimes poorly=20
named as Basic Writing.) My own approach has been to approach=20
traditional grammar from a functional perspective. Because I couldn't=20
find a text I was comfortable with, I wrote my own and revised it on the
basis of its usefulness with several classes. What I know from=20
linguistics has mainly been gathered through my own study and the help=20
of many people, ATEG very much included.
There are people in the English department who like and deeply respect=20
what I am doing. For the department as a whole, it is rather low=20
priority. I suspect that most don't feel the course requires much=20
expertise.
Teaching majors on this campus, at least last time I checked, have been=20
able to fulfill a language study requirement in a number of ways,=20
including a single survey course in linguistics, which includes only a=20
few weeks on "syntax." Education professors have mentioned that graduate
students have very little background in language and see it as a=20
problem. It is hard to talk about implementing language in the=20
curriculum when the teachers themselves have little or no background=20
knowledge to bring to bear.
NCTE's own standards say teachers should know a great deal about=20
language, but they have never followed that up with recommendations for=20
specific courses, and, until recently, they have coupled that with a=20
position that formal grammar study should not be part of the English=20
curriculum. Students need to "acquire" language, but do not need to know
about it. Historically, at least, the view is that teachers need to=20
guide the acquisition, but not pass on their own knowledge in the=20
process. It has been very much a mixed message.
Craig
Andrew Smyth wrote:
>
> Dear ATEG members:
>
> I'm researching who most typically teaches the grammar course (or=20
> preferably two or more classes involving study of language, grammar,=20
> and/or methods of incorporating language instruction into one's=20
> curriculum) in programs that prepare secondary education students in=20
> English Language Arts. Are people with PhDs in linguistics more=20
> commonly recruited? Or those with some combination of linguistics,=20
> education, comp/rhet, etc.? I'd love to hear about the backgrounds of=20
> people who typically teach such courses at your instititutions.
>
> Thanks so much,
>
> Andrew
>
> Andrew Smyth
>
> Assistant Professor of English
>
> Southern Connecticut State University
>
> 501 Crescent Street
>
> New Haven, CT 06515
>
> (203) 392-5113
>
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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:15:30 -0400
From: "Spruiell, William C" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Who Teaches the Grammar Course?
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At my institution, both the generic grammar course ("Modern Grammar")
and the teaching-methods course ("Pedagogic Grammar") are housed within
the English department, as is a survey-style linguistics introduction
that focuses on a fair amount of sociolinguistic material that is of
concern to teachers (it's a required course for English education
majors). I and two colleagues teach the "linguistic-y" courses; we're
all Ph.Ds. I'm a linguist who teaches some of the grammar sections as
well as History of English and Old English (I was basically hired as
"Swiss-Army Linguist for English Department"). One of my colleagues has
a degree in Educational Linguistics and teaches grammar sections as well
as our TESOL methodology courses; the other colleague is a
sociophoneticist who teaches the survey course, among other things. We
also have a graduate-level "English Grammar for Language Teachers" in
our TESOL program; I'm the one who usually teaches that.=20
=20
Good question, by the way!=20
=20
Bill Spruiell
Dept. of English
Central Michigan University
=20
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From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Andrew Smyth
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 8:41 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Who Teaches the Grammar Course?
=20
Dear ATEG members:
=20
I'm researching who most typically teaches the grammar course (or
preferably two or more classes involving study of language, grammar,
and/or methods of incorporating language instruction into one's
curriculum) in programs that prepare secondary education students in
English Language Arts. Are people with PhDs in linguistics more
commonly recruited? Or those with some combination of linguistics,
education, comp/rhet, etc.? I'd love to hear about the backgrounds of
people who typically teach such courses at your instititutions.
=20
Thanks so much,
=20
Andrew
=20
=20
=20
=20
=20
Andrew Smyth
Assistant Professor of English
Southern Connecticut State University
501 Crescent Street
New Haven, CT 06515
(203) 392-5113
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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(“Modern
Grammar”) and the teaching-methods course (“Pedagogic =
Grammar”)
are housed within the English department, as is a survey-style =
linguistics
introduction that focuses on a fair amount of sociolinguistic material =
that is
of concern to teachers (it’s a required course for English =
education
majors). I and two colleagues teach the “linguistic-y” =
courses; we’re
all Ph.Ds. I’m a linguist who teaches some of the grammar sections =
as
well as History of English and Old English (I was basically hired as =
“Swiss-Army
Linguist for English Department”). One of my colleagues has a =
degree in
Educational Linguistics and teaches grammar sections as well as our =
TESOL
methodology courses; the other colleague is a sociophoneticist who =
teaches the
survey course, among other things. We also have a graduate-level =
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one
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>I’m
researching who most typically teaches the grammar course (or preferably =
two or
more classes involving study of language, grammar, and/or methods of
incorporating language instruction into one’s curriculum) in =
programs
that prepare secondary education students in English Language =
Arts. Are
people with PhDs in linguistics more commonly recruited? Or those =
with
some combination of linguistics, education, comp/rhet, etc.? =
I’d
love to hear about the backgrounds of people who typically teach such =
courses
at your instititutions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Thanks
so much,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p> </=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Assistant
Professor of English</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>Southern
Connecticut State University</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>501
Crescent Street</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Haven, CT 06515</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 14:30:15 -0400
From: Edward Vavra <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Who Teaches the Grammar Course?
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Andrew,
Are you researching for a book or an article that you are writing (or =
plan to)? I'm very much interested in what you find. My own sense of what y=
ou will find is posted on the KISS grammar site. See: http://home.pct.edu/=
~evavra/ED498/Essay007_Crime.htm
The project you are undertaking is very difficult and time-consuming. It wi=
ll also be very controversial. I'll be interested in what you discover and =
especially in anything that you publish about it. I'm contemplating a book =
about the teaching of grammar in K-12, a book for the general public, possi=
bly a book titled Deadly Grammar Textbooks. Obviously, who teaches the teac=
hers effects what the teachers are taught, and thus what teachers can say a=
bout what they are supposed to teach.
Thanks,
Ed Vavra
http://home.pct.edu/~evavra/KISS.htm
From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask]
OHIO.EDU] On Behalf Of Andrew Smyth
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 8:41 AM
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Subject: Who Teaches the Grammar Course?
Dear ATEG members:
I'm researching who most typically teaches the grammar course (or preferabl=
y two or more classes involving study of language, grammar, and/or methods =
of incorporating language instruction into one's curriculum) in programs th=
at prepare secondary education students in English Language Arts. Are peop=
le with PhDs in linguistics more commonly recruited? Or those with some co=
mbination of linguistics, education, comp/rhet, etc.? I'd love to hear abo=
ut the backgrounds of people who typically teach such courses at your insti=
titutions.
Thanks so much,
Andrew
Andrew Smyth
Assistant Professor of English
Southern Connecticut State University
501 Crescent Street
New Haven, CT 06515
(203) 392-5113
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"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> Are you researching for a book or a=
n
article that you are writing (or plan to)? I’m very much interested i=
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what you find. My own sense of what you will find is posted on the KISS gra=
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site. See: <a href=3D"http://home.pct.edu/~evavra/ED498/Essay007_Crim=
e.htm">http://home.pct.edu/~evavra/ED498/Essay007_Crime.htm</a><o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The project you are undertaking is very difficult and
time-consuming. It will also be very controversial. I’ll be intereste=
d in
what you discover and especially in anything that you publish about it. I&#=
8217;m
contemplating a book about the teaching of grammar in K-12, a book for the
general public, possibly a book titled <i>Deadly Grammar Textbooks</i>. Obv=
iously,
who teaches the teachers <b>e</b>ffects what the teachers are taught, and t=
hus
what teachers can say about what they are supposed to teach. <o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Ed Vavra<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><a href=3D"http://home.pct.edu/~evavra/KISS.htm">http://home=
.pct.edu/~evavra/KISS.htm</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
"sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Assembly for =
the
Teaching of English Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask]] <b>On Behalf =
Of </b>Andrew
Smyth<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 04, 2007 8:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> [log in to unmask]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Who Teaches the Grammar Course?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>Dear
ATEG members:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>I’m
researching who most typically teaches the grammar course (or preferably tw=
o or
more classes involving study of language, grammar, and/or methods of
incorporating language instruction into one’s curriculum) in programs
that prepare secondary education students in English Language Arts. A=
re
people with PhDs in linguistics more commonly recruited? Or those wit=
h
some combination of linguistics, education, comp/rhet, etc.? I’=
d
love to hear about the backgrounds of people who typically teach such cours=
es
at your instititutions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>Thanks
so much,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>Andrew
Smyth</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>Assistant
Professor of English</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>Southern
Connecticut State University</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>501
Crescent Street</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>New
Haven, CT 06515</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","s=
ans-serif"'>(203)
392-5113</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 18:41:31 -0500
From: DD Farms <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Who Teaches the Grammar Course?
At 01:30 p.m. 4/09/2007, Edward Vavra wrote:
> Are you researching for a book or an article that you are
> writing (or plan to)? . . . I'm contemplating [writing] a book
> about the teaching of grammar in K-12, a book for the general
> public, possibly a book titled Deadly Grammar Textbooks. . . .
DD: Andrew, Ed or anyone else writing on this subject; Keep us
posted, particularly me, if and when the book or even article appears.
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Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 23:31:18 -0400
From: Nancy Tuten <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Who Teaches the Grammar Course?
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Andrew,
At our small liberal arts institution, I teach the grammar class for all
English majors-including those in secondary ed-and a colleague teaches a
course on the history of the English language. My PhD is in American
literature, and hers is in British lit. We do not have anyone in our
department who specializes in linguistics. Interestingly, the person who is
currently running the secondary ed program for English majors has a PhD in
comp/rhetoric.
Nancy L. Tuten, PhD
Professor of English
Director of the Writing-across-the-Curriculum Program
Columbia College
Columbia, South Carolina
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803-786-3706
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Andrew Smyth
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 8:41 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Who Teaches the Grammar Course?
Dear ATEG members:
I'm researching who most typically teaches the grammar course (or preferably
two or more classes involving study of language, grammar, and/or methods of
incorporating language instruction into one's curriculum) in programs that
prepare secondary education students in English Language Arts. Are people
with PhDs in linguistics more commonly recruited? Or those with some
combination of linguistics, education, comp/rhet, etc.? I'd love to hear
about the backgrounds of people who typically teach such courses at your
instititutions.
Thanks so much,
Andrew
Andrew Smyth
Assistant Professor of English
Southern Connecticut State University
501 Crescent Street
New Haven, CT 06515
(203) 392-5113
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13.0pt'>Andrew, <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D4 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
13.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D4 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
13.0pt'>At our small liberal arts institution, I teach the grammar class =
for
all English majors—including those in secondary ed—and a =
colleague
teaches a course on the history of the English language. My PhD is in =
American literature,
and hers is in British lit. We do not have anyone in our department who
specializes in linguistics. Interestingly, the person who is currently =
running the
secondary ed program for English majors has a PhD in comp/rhetoric. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D4 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
13.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DGeorgia><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Georgia'>Nancy L. Tuten, PhD</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DGeorgia><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Georgia'>Professor of English</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DGeorgia><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Georgia'>Director of the Writing-across-the-Curriculum =
Program</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:PlaceName =
w:st=3D"on"><font size=3D3
face=3DGeorgia><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>Columbia</span></font></st=
1:PlaceName><font
face=3DGeorgia><span style=3D'font-family:Georgia'> <st1:PlaceType =
w:st=3D"on">College</st1:PlaceType></span></font></st1:place><o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><st1:place w:st=3D"on"><st1:City w:st=3D"on"><font =
size=3D3
face=3DGeorgia><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Georgia'>Columbia</span></font></st=
1:City><font
face=3DGeorgia><span style=3D'font-family:Georgia'>, <st1:State =
w:st=3D"on">South
Carolina</st1:State></span></font></st1:place><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><a href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]"><font color=3Dblack =
face=3DGeorgia><span
style=3D'font-family:Georgia;color:black'>[log in to unmask]</span></fon=
t></a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DGeorgia><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Georgia'>803-786-3706</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><font
size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>
<hr size=3D2 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter tabindex=3D-1>
</span></font></div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><b><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</spa=
n></font></b><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Assembly
for the Teaching of English Grammar [mailto:[log in to unmask]] =
<b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Andrew Smyth<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Tuesday, September =
04, 2007
8:41 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
[log in to unmask]<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Who Teaches the =
Grammar
Course?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Dear ATEG =
members:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I’m researching who =
most typically
teaches the grammar course (or preferably two or more classes involving =
study
of language, grammar, and/or methods of incorporating language =
instruction into
one’s curriculum) in programs that prepare secondary education =
students
in English Language Arts. Are people with PhDs in linguistics more
commonly recruited? Or those with some combination of linguistics,
education, comp/rhet, etc.? I’d love to hear about the =
backgrounds
of people who typically teach such courses at your =
instititutions.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Thanks so =
much,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></fo=
nt></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Andrew =
Smyth</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Assistant Professor of =
English</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Southern <st1:place =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:PlaceName
w:st=3D"on">Connecticut</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType =
w:st=3D"on">State</st1:PlaceType>
<st1:PlaceType =
w:st=3D"on">University</st1:PlaceType></st1:place></span></font><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>501 Crescent =
Street</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:City
w:st=3D"on"><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial'>New Haven</span></font></st1:City><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>, <st1:State =
w:st=3D"on">CT</st1:State>
<st1:PostalCode =
w:st=3D"on">06515</st1:PostalCode></span></font></st1:place><o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>(203) =
392-5113</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><a
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a></span><=
/font><o:p></o:p></p>
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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3 =
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span
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