Thanks.  We had decided that the est was 2nd person, but I wasn't aware that neither is used in plural.  I'm sure I have seen it in that form -- especially as an imperative -- but maybe that was non-standard usage.

I appreciate your clear response.
Thanks again.



>>> "Bruce Despain" <[log in to unmask]> 2/26/2009 1:16 PM >>>
Maybe someone could explain the difference between wast and wert, both archaic 2nd person singular endings where the subject is thou.  

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Lorraine,

-est is a second person singular ending, used with the second singular pronoun "thou."  -eth is a third singular ending.  Neither is used in the plural, and both of them survived into Early Modern English and then died out largely by the 18th c., although they continued in some dialects.

In modern parodies of older Englishes, -eth tends to get used as a pseudo-archaism regardless of the person or number of the subject.  The language never used it in that way.

Herb
 
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One of my students was wondering about the eth and est endings of verbs in archaic literature.  When is eth appropriate and when is est?  I have never thought of this question.  We came up with a possibility, but I wondered how the experts would explain this.

Thanks for your input.
Lorraine 

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