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Karl Hagen <[log in to unmask]>
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Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar <[log in to unmask]>
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Mon, 30 Aug 2004 12:59:34 -0700
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Which, of course, would violate Grice's maxims of manner. Using the less
specific term, presuming that one had, in point of fact, entered into a
traditional marriage, invites the inference that one is not married. So
this bit of advice essentially demands that we equivocate--an
interesting consequence of a dictum that justifies itself in terms of an
ethical position.

Karl Hagen
Department of English
Mount St. Mary's College
>>> [log in to unmask] 08/30/04 9:22 AM >>>
More and more, I'm hearing people say "my partner."  It has been
explained to me that it's better to not state a gender or claim a legal
status that's unavailable to homosexual couples, in order to avoid
heterosexism.

Just repeating what I've been told . . . .

Beth Young




Dr. Beth Rapp Young
Director, University Writing Center
Associate Professor, English

University of Central Florida
From Promise to Prominence: Celebrating 40 Years.

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>>> [log in to unmask] 8/30/2004 12:00:56 PM >>>
Oddly, given the very limited understanding of the English genitive
among those objecting, "the wife" might logically be preferred were it
not for its social usage.  I didn't hear a reasonable alternative.
This
was one of those prohibitions that didn't offer any.



Herb





I am really curious about what the preference would be:  Jane, the
woman
to whom I am married?  Probably not "the wife"!



Edith Wollin

        -----Original Message-----
        From: PAUL E. DONIGER [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
        Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 7:08 PM
        To: [log in to unmask]
        Subject: Re: Rule of Thumb

        Herb,



        I wonder how the same people would react to your wife if she
referred to you as "my husband!"



        Paul

        "Stahlke, Herbert F.W." <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

                I must also admit that I've gotten into similar
trouble
for critiquing some of the canons of gender-neutral language, the
worst
case being when I responded to criticism for referring to my wife as
"my
wife".

                Herb


                Subject: Re: Rule of Thumb
                I AM SOOOOO SORRY TO HEAR YOUR STORY!!! My deepest
sympathies to you
                and all who still think. And to think that academia
was
a bastion of
                critical thinking.

                Rebecca

                On Thursday, August 26, 2004, at 12:21 PM, Kathleen M.
Ward wrote:

                > Rebecca,
                >
                > It's not that I don't agree with you. I do. However,
if I did any
                > of this stuff, I'd be fired. Being offended is
enough
for people to
                > lodge protests; it's the fact that the protest has
been lodged
                > (rather than the validity of the protest) that
counts.
Remember what
                > happened to the guy (was it in D. C.?) w! ho used
the
word "niggardly."
                >
                > After the Picnic Day fallout, I am a little
sensitive
on the subject.
                > I've also been called on the carpet by an associate
dean for telling
                > a student that she "had to be willing to do the
work"
in class.
                >
                > It's a new, and not better, world.
                > KMW
                >
                >
                >
                >> On Thursday, August 26, 2004, at 11:32 AM, Kathleen
M. Ward wrote:
                >>
                >>> When I used the term in passing in
                >>> class, people objected. They may be wrong, but
they
are offended.
                >>> And telling them that they are wrong does not make
them less
                >>> offended.
                >>>
                >>
                >> Are you saying that ignorance should now be able to
dictate just under
                >> 400 years of actual usage? This political
correctness
has got to
                >> stop.
                >> Tell your students that they are there to GET an
education, not to
                >> reinforce wild-eyed misconceptions. And to lighten
up
a little.
                >>
                >> Rebecca Watson
                >>
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