Hi, Nancy.
I like the rule dichotomy that you are developing for your publication, but I wonder if you don't see some overlap in these rules. I mean, aren't there rules that workplace people think are important that are also related to meaning? I guess I am asking: Do you see the two categories as mutually exclusive? And when you find a rule that would fit in both categories, what will you do?
Just curious--
Linda
Linda Di Desidero, Ph.D.
Associate Professor
Assistant Academic Director of Writing
University of Maryland University College
3501 University Boulevard, East
Adelphi, MD 20783
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From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar on behalf of Nancy Tuten
Sent: Fri 2/29/2008 8:19 AM
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Subject: Re: But as a preposition?
The word "but" can fill all three slots, of course, but in answer to Peter's
question, I would point out that the meaning remains fairly consistent even
when the word is used in different roles. Just as "but" can be a preposition
replacing "except," some writers/speakers use "except" as a coordinating
conjunction:
I thought about going to the store, except I didn't have any money.
I would caution writers against such a construction, just as I would caution
them not to use "like" as a subordinating conjunction. But it is easy to see
why they would be tempted to replace "but" with "except" in a sentence such
as this one if they hadn't memorized the list of seven words widely accepted
as coordinating conjunctions.
Aren't we back to the notion of style--what I think of as linguistic
etiquette? Using "but" as a preposition works *and* it has long been
accepted as a legitimate preposition. On the other hand, even though
"except" works just fine as a coordinating conjunction (that is, the meaning
isn't lost), many people consider it "wrong."
A similar example would be confusion over the usage of "like" and "as":
"like" functions just fine as a subordinating conjunction (that is, the
intended meaning isn't lost when it is substituted for "as"), but
stylistically many people still consider it "wrong."
I'm about to start the revision process for a second edition of a book of
writing "tips" a colleague and I published about seven years ago, and I'm
almost to the point that I want to divide the entire book up into two major
sections: (1) those "rules" that are important to know because the
professional world thinks they are and educated people are supposed to know
them (linguistic etiquette, matters of style and usage) and (2) those
issues/rules that are important to know because they significantly affect
clarity of meaning or precision of expression (modification issues,
agreement issues, parallel structure, etc).
I am certain that I am going to start making that distinction in the one and
only grammar course that our English majors are required to take. I have
been doing so to some extent for years, actually, but not as intentionally
as I intend to do so now. The course (using Martha Kolln's text
_Understanding English Grammar_) focuses almost exclusively on the latter
issues anyway--syntax, mainly (and, yes, we diagram sentences and my
students consistently say that they are better writers for having done
so)--but students are still lumping that kind of understanding with a
knowledge of "rules" and calling *all* of it "grammar."
Nancy (who obviously had too much coffee for breakfast, Herb!)
Nancy L. Tuten, PhD
Professor of English
Director of the Writing-across-the-Curriculum Program
Columbia College
Columbia, South Carolina
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From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of STAHLKE, HERBERT F
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:14 AM
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Subject: Re: But as a preposition?
Interestingly, the OED gives the part of speech of "but" as "prep.,
adv., conj." These distinct usages go back at least to the 9th c. As
to whether it's one word, or two, or three, I fear that depends on your
theory of the lexicon and what you had for breakfast.
Herb
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From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
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Sent: 2008-02-28 22:50
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Subject: Re: But as a preposition?
Well, then, we (Herb, Nancy, and I, agree. But then I'm wondering
(and this harks back to my question of a week ago about "red" and
"snow") is this "but" a different word from the coordinating
conjunction "but," that just happens to be spelled and pronounced the
same way, or is this the same word which can be in either of two
lexical classes depending on context, or is this "but" the
coordinating conjunction (form) being used as a preposition (function)?
Peter, who admits he's becoming a little obsessed with this
question . . .
Peter Adams
On Feb 28, 2008, at 9:13 PM, STAHLKE, HERBERT F wrote:
> Yes, it can. In the example you give, one could substitute a
> undisputed
> preposition like "except" and get the same meaning. With different
> meanings we can substitute other prepositions and the structure
> remains
> the same: behind, with, ahead of, after, near, under, above, etc. So
> it fills a slot that is a prepositional slot. It's semantic
> connection
> to the coordinating conjunction "but" is remote.
>
> Herb
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Peter Adams
> Sent: 2008-02-28 20:34
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> Subject: But as a preposition?
>
> In a sentence like this
>
> Everyone but Craig is going to the movies.
>
> what lexical class is "but"? Can it be a preposition?
>
> Peter Adams
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