Herb,

One of the problems I see in the ATEG forum is that there is very 
little participation from the ranks of public school teachers, and 
especially from the primary grades. Most of the discussions seem to 
occur at a college level. In order for the ATEG group to develop a 
practical grammar which would indeed benefit students there must be 
input from educators who teach at such basic levels. We need to know 
how they approach the teaching of grammar for their students, and 
what the needs and expectations are at different levels in public 
school.

Eduard 



On Sun, 20 Aug 2006, Herbert F.W. Stahlke wrote...

>Eduard,
>=20
>I was writing in the context of the Scope and Sequence program, 
where =
>the goal is to provide developmentally appropriate grammar 
instruction =
>that build as students are ready to master new concepts, principles, 
=
>analyses, etc.  Whether you want to call this one or several 
grammars =
>doesn't make a whole lot of difference.  As a university-level 
teacher, =
>not K-12, I see my role as a step or two removed.  I can provide 
content =
>and can assist with the development of content, but I wouldn't 
pretend =
>to any expertise in K12 curriculum and pedagogy.  That I'll 
gratefully =
>leave to those on the list who are specialized in these areas.
>=20
>Herb
>
>________________________________
>
>From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar on behalf of 
Eduard =
>C. Hanganu
>Sent: Sun 8/20/2006 7:35 AM
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>Subject: Re: Defining Traditional Grammar
>
>
>
>Herb:
>
>I agree with you. There is much more to be said about grammar than I
>did, but I was referring to basic guiding principles, and not to the
>details. Still I am getting a little confused: do you want to write a
>grammar encyclopaedia, or a practical grammar? And if you want to
>write a practical grammar ( which is my assumption) for which grade
(s)
>are you going to write that grammar? It appears to me that we will
>necessarily have to write grammarS, not just a grammar, each adjusted
>to some school level. One thing is to teach grammar to the elementary
>school students, another to teach grammar to college students. Each
>such level would require a grammar specifically written for its own
>purposes.
>
>Eduard
>
>
>On Fri, 18 Aug 2006, Herbert F.W. Stahlke wrote...
>
>>Eduard,
>>
>>Quite a lot, in fact, as I suggested in my posting to Phil.  Part of
>my
>>problem in this discourse is that I come from a background in which
>>traditional grammar includes Jespersen, Poutsma, Kruizinga, and
>others
>>of the great 19th and 20th c. scholars of English grammar.=20
>Traditional
>>school grammar, like what is found in the Warriner's series, for
>>example, a series that was used widely in American high schools for
>>quite a long time, is in part of reduction of this combined with a
>>variety of stylistic prescriptions and proscriptions.  I don't have
>the
>>negative reaction Fries had, because I go back to Jespersen on a lot
>of
>>matters.  However, I agree with Fries as to the sometimes mindless
>way
>>in which traditional grammar has been reduced to a few inflexible
>terms,
>>concepts, and maxims.
>>
>>Herb
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