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Christine Gray <[log in to unmask]>
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Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar <[log in to unmask]>
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Wed, 15 Aug 2001 17:16:30 -0400
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Has anyone on the list used Thomas Klammer's Analyzing English Grammar??

I've been using it for about six years.  One aspect of it I prefer over
Kolln's is that it has examples of diagramming using both tree and
Reed-Kellogg diagrams.

And, Ed, I agree with you!  It is so difficult to find actual grammar
books. Most books seem to be either handbooks/refereence books or
designed for developmental students.


Christine Gray



Robert Einarsson wrote:
>
> Ed Vavra writes:
>
> > As the members of the ATEG list know, I propose burning their
> > grammar books. Well, not literally, but the things are useless.
> Obviously,
> > I want to invite the unknown guest to the KISS web site:
> > http://curie.pct.edu/courses/evavra/KISS.htm She can tell her
> district
> > Language consultant that she has found an approach to teaching
> grammar,
> > based on theory and research, that does not require the
> purchase of any
> > books. Ed Vavra
>
> As I argued in a little conference paper, grammar books today are
> more like reference works or technical dictionaries, and less like
> actual teaching textbooks.
>
> The difference is that textbooks build the subject concept by
> concept, and teach the reader.  Reference books, on the other
> hand, simply compile the information in an arbitrary and fragmented
> way.  For example, alphabetical order is not the best choice for
> organizing an subject that you intend to teach (whereas it might be
> a good order for a reference work intended for informed users).
>
> Almost all of the grammar books that I get in the mail are actually
> reference books.  They are potentially useful for me but not for my
> students.  In a _textbook,_ on the other hand, students ccould
> start with no knowledge and have the whole subject explained to
> them in an incremental way.
>
> It seems to me that the last great grammar textbook (in the true
> sense of the word) was written by Martha Kolln:  Understanding
> English Grammar.
>
> Ed Vavra also presents grammar in a textbook form on the KISS
> web site.
>
> Here is the link to my conference paper:
>
> http://www.artsci.gmcc.ab.ca/people/einarssonb/elac.html
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Sincerely, Robert Einarsson
> please visit me at
> http://www.artsci.gmcc.ab.ca/people/einarssonb
>
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