Here is the web address (unless it is now fixed, they have the title wrong
and only Michael shows as author!); however, I don't know the exam copy
address; you should have a Harcourt rep in your area that will get it for
you. Here is the ISBN # too:0-15-506374-X
http://main.harcourtcollege.com/catalog/course.jhtml?sdid=english___communic
ation___journalism&did=020&cid=EN20
Edith Wollin
-----Original Message-----
From: Christine Gray [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 4:34 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: choosing books (was "burn your grammar books")
I went to the Oxford UP web site and requested an examination copy of
"Doing Grammar." Thank you, Rebecca, for mentioning it.
I am new to this list and several titles that have been mentioned are
new to me. I mentioned Klammer in a recent message.
I glommed onto his book because it was the only one I could find that
was not prescriptive, did not water down the material, was not written
as though students were idiots, and had/has Reed-Kellogg and tree
diagramming throughout.
Edith, I tried to locate the Harcourt web site to request an exam. copy
of your book but was not successful. Would you post the Harcourt address
for ordering exam copy of "Writers Choices."
Wollin, Edith wrote:
>
> Writers' Choices: Grammar to Improve Style from Michael Kischner and Edith
> Wollin is finally out from Harcourt if you want to order an examination
copy
> to see if it interests you. We are hopeful that it can be part of a
> composition course, but acknowledge that the two together are a lot a work
> for those in quarter systems. We are believers in rhetorical grammar, come
> to independently from Martha, thus proving that it is an idea whose time
has
> come! And we use sentence combining along with students' own composing.
> Edith Wollin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rebecca S. Wheeler [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:51 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: burn your grammar books
>
> I used Klammer's Analyzing English Grammar for 1 year, and no more. I
found
> that the
> degree of detail he went into was way way more than what the students
could
> handle,
> and was way beyond what I wanted to focus on. Furthermore, there weren't
> enough
> exercises to suit my taste.
>
> As many on this listserve know, my preference is for Morenberg's DOING
> GRAMMAR,
> which will soon be in the third edition, I hear. So, I'm returning to
DOING
> GRAMMAR
> this year (next week), in both my advanced grammar classes. I will try
> blending that
> with his "Writer's Options" as a way to apply some of the more complex
> clause
> structures to writing.
>
> His focus on basic structural analysis of the sentence into the 6 types
of
> verb
> types (and hence sentence structure types) is VERY accessible, with clear
> mnemonics.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rebecca
>
> Christine Gray wrote:
>
> > Has anyone on the list used Thomas Klammer's Analyzing English Grammar??
> >
> > I've been using it for about six years. One aspect of it I prefer over
> > Kolln's is that it has examples of diagramming using both tree and
> > Reed-Kellogg diagrams.
> >
> > And, Ed, I agree with you! It is so difficult to find actual grammar
> > books. Most books seem to be either handbooks/refereence books or
> > designed for developmental students.
> >
> > Christine Gray
>
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