Someone once defined the Mason-Dixon Line as the boundary between You-all
and Youse Guys.  I once spent much time with a cultured young lady from
Colorado who frequently used "You guys" but who shuddered when she heard,
"Youse Guys."
Scott

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Date:    Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:43:52 -0400
From:    "STAHLKE, HERBERT F" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Once and Future English Tense

We lived in Atlanta from 74-80, and our three children became native =
speakers of the dialect.  They lost most of it after we moved to Central =
Indiana, but "y'all" seems to persist, almost but not quite as much as =
"hey" for "hi", which I pretty much picked up myself, in spite of =
spending the last 28 years in the north.

Herb=20

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I was trying to defend the speech of my adopted region, but my daughter,
a native Southerner, pointed out that I should have said "y'all's
sunburns," not "sunburn."

Dick Veit

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Y'all up there on the frozen tundra may think y'all're special because
y'all can say "we'uns" and we here in the balmy Southland can't say
"we'all," but have you considered it may be because we like to avoid
redundancy? What's more, we can say the possessive "y'all's sunburn." Up
there can y'all say "you'uns' frostbite"?

Dick Veit in Wilmington, NC


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I object.  Why a contraction whose pronunciation is contested when there
are perfectly fine analogical Upper Midwestern and Northeastern forms
like "youse" and "you'uns"?  Granted, "you'uns" is also a contraction,
but it's spawned a complete plural pronoun declension:  we'uns, us'uns,
you'uns, you'unses, they'uns, them'uns.  So it's a productive form,
which "y'all," a nonce form, can't claim.  Not only that, but "we'uns"
has even inspired a novel, The Weans, by Robert Nathan (Knopf 1960), an
archeological report on investigations in North America.  A great read,
by the way!

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Herb

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Sent: 2008-03-20 22:49
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DD -
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One of the questions I have in my little game of "Stump the Student" is
why "y'all" should take the place of "you" as the a standard second
person plural pronoun.

> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:49:43 -0500
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> At 09:05 AM 3/20/2008, Carol Morrison wrote: . . .
> >Analyzing English Grammar, by Klammer, Schulz, & Volpe, "There is no=20
> >future tense morpheme in English, no affix that can be attached to a=20
> >verb to indicate that the action will take place in the future.=20
> >Simple future time must be expressed by other words in the sentence"
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> > 1) Modals . . .
> >2) Present Tense + Adverbial Modifiers . . .
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> DD: Now that hit me hard. I thank y'all for the information. I never=20
> even considered the idea. Trapped in Latin Grammar, I am. Going back=20
> to rearrange my paradigms.
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