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Reinhold Schlieper <[log in to unmask]>
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Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar <[log in to unmask]>
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Wed, 19 Sep 2001 11:30:00 -0400
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My country--right or wrong!  When right to be kept right, and when wrong
to be got right. [Carl Schurz]  Sometimes the attempt to getting the
country right and the analysis when she is wrong may look to some like
an effort to be anti-American.  Not so, I'd say.  What makes America
different than many another is her insistence on letting people speak
their minds.  If anything is un-American, it would be the categoric
repression of one group of voices.

==Reinhold



Robert Einarsson wrote:
>
> There is and has been a consistent anti-American propaganda
> campaign going on in academia for forty years.  Taken on the
> gigantic level of the media and academia industries, it amounts to
> a campaign-scale attack on the US.  It has most likely contributed
> to setting an intellectual climate in which anti-American terrorism is
> nourished.
>
> The anti-American rhetoric on university campuses is far, far
> beyond simple criticism and debate over various positions taken by
> the US government.  It is simply contemptuous, constant slander
> which may serve to nourish anti-American terrorism.
>
> Therefore, it does not matter to me if certain political perspectives
> would be offended with my first posting.  I posted it because I
> meant what I was saying:
>
> there is and has been anti-American rhetoric on university
> campuses, almost on the scale of a propaganda campaign; it has
> been going on for forty years, and it has fostered a climate which is
> nourishing to anti-American terrorism.
>
> In light of such a serious idea in my original posting, it is odd that
> the argument has now shifted to the rules of academic posting.
>
> May I politely suggest that if you had found fault with my content
> we would not now be discussing Civility in Public Discourse.
>
> Now you are arguing the general right that I have to speak on
> certain topics and in certain tones of voice.  Now the topic is
> Civility in Public Discourse when what it started with was leftist-
> Stalinist propaganda in academia.
>
> Let's reverse the perspective:  to my knowledge individuals in
> academia have never before gone out of their way to show Civility to
> more right-of-center feelings.
>
> You hear contemptuous remarks intertwined with academic
> discourse _all the time,_ even when they are irrelevant to the
> nature of the topic. Academics are _constantly_ insulting the right-
> of -center perspective.  It's a running joke with them.  Even little pro-
> Clinton grammar examples have been posted here, just to strike an
> aggravating note.
>
> I do not agree that civility in academic discourse is the prime value.
>
> I do not forefit the right to speak disrespectfully.  I do not care
> about people's feelings.
>
> Civility means nothing whatsoever to me in comparison to the
> attack on the WTC and the feelings and concerns which I have to
> express upon it.
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Sincerely, Robert Einarsson
> please visit me at
> http://www.artsci.gmcc.ab.ca/people/einarssonb
>
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