That's nice, but it still leaves room for someone not to know that participial phrase and a reduced adejective clause are the same thing. A certification test for grammar alone independent of getting a Master's would be a real service for those who want and can teach grammar and for those who want to hire qualified grammar teachers. It is also one more line, one more certification on a C.V. so it cannot be a bad thing. This would have been the best response to reports that grammar study was somehow unimportant or ineffective. I have always been convinced that most of the anti-grammar movement got its support primarily from those afraid of being called to account for an insufficient background in grammar. To this day whenever I hear someone extolling anti-grammar attitudes I immediately know they will be EXTREMELY defensive about their knowledge of grammar. Certification would take the bogey of anti-grammar off the table and force everyone to do a few exercises (which by the way is the fastest most efficient way to learn grammar).
Phil Bralich
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>Ball State's MA TESOL program has always been somewhat conservative in its curriculum. We require a basic linguistics coures, a grammar course, a phonetics course, and a contrastive pragmatics class, as well as the usual methods and other things. Grammar is also included in the methods courses.
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>I am aware of that but this would be for grammar alone and would be a bit more stringent. As you know TESOL was particularly hard hit by the anti-grammar attitude and most out there still don't know their grammar. However, I would't mind seeing the criteria for the grammar section are you aware of where I could find one.
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>Also this grammar certificate would be independent of an MA program. I would be available for teachers from a a vareity of backgrounds in a vareity of classes that may be called on to teach grammar in one of its many forms which often would NOT require an MA in TESOL and for which in fact an MA in TESOL may be wholly inappropriate.
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>Phil Bralich
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> Phil:
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> That's included in any "legitimate" Graduate TESL Certificate Course, such as the one that I completed at Cal State, Long Beach.
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> http://www.csulb.edu/depts/ling/certificate.htm
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> Unfortunately, many prospective ESL teachers look for the quickest and cheapest piece of paper they can find.
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> http://www.aacircle.com.au/tesl_tefl.htm
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> Peace,
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> David Brown
> ESL/EFL Teacher
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> From: Phil Bralich [mailto: [log in to unmask]]
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> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:01:25 -0400
> Subject: Grammar Certification
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> I suggested earlier that those who need to hire teachers to teach grammar should have prospects pass a grammar test to ensure that the teacher's were qualified. It also might demonstrate if they are interested. A number of posts suggested this could be problematic for a number of reasaons. However, perhaps a grammar teacher certification would be the better idea. A certification indicating that teacher's were qualified to teach grammar to native speakers and another for ESL teachers who wanted to teach ESL grammar (perhaps an advanced certification for TOEFL grammar). This would give employers something to add to their considerations when considering candidates and this would give people who genuinely know their grammar a chance to demonstrate it and get job preference in these situations. Thus helping get the grammar jobs to the grammar incllined and away from those who are either anti-grammar or grammar deluded (e.g. think they know grammar but do not).
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> Phil Bralich
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