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Craig:
"For" is redundant in the debated example. It is not needed. The
propositional meaning of the sentence is still preserved without it.
Because grammaticality includes economy of expression, a statement
that defines "He worked for as long as he could" as "perfectly
grammatical" does not reflect grammatical reality.
Your example, "He painted the lines [for] as long as he could," is
an ambiguous syntactic structure and I would recommend to my student
to revise it.
Eduard
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006, Craig Hancock wrote...
>Eduard,
> When you say your native speaker students generate 70%
ungrammatical
>sentences, you are probably using the term in a rather unique way.
> "He worked for as long as he could" strikes me as perfectly
>grammatical, as something I would easily say and easily understand.
We
>would need a corpus to include it, but we would need a corpus to
>classify it as ungrammatical as well. >
> I gave one example where "for" helps clarify, and I'll try
another.=20
>"He painted the lines [for] as long as he could." Without
the "for",
>it's a statement about the length of the lines. With the "for",
it's a
>statement about how long he would work. The "for" makes the notion
of
>duration clear.
>If it showed up in my students' writing, I would never think of it
as
>ungrammatical.
>
>Craig
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