On the initial meeting of President Nixon and Premier Golda Meir
Nixon remarked that they had one strong thing in common: both of them
had Jewish Secretaries of State. "Yes," replied Premier Meir, "but
mine speaks English."
Scott Catledge
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:31:39 -0800
From: Brad Johnston <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: the most articulate American
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"Paul E. Doniger" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
=A0
Brad,
=A0
Who is this naturalized German who came to the USA at age 13 and is now "th=
e best speaker and writer of our language?" I'm trying to figure that one o=
ut,=A0but I can't.
=A0
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Brad replied:
=A0
My Mom taught me to not say, "I can't", but to say, "I haven't yet".
=A0
You'll get it but if you don't, I won't let you dangle too long.
=A0
.brad.11feb08.
=A0
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Wow! Last February I said I wouldn't let you dangle but dangle you did.
=A0
I'm sorry.
=A0
Henry Kissinger.
=A0
I invite you to show me grammatical errors in his writing ... or speeches, =
if any are of record. Google is going to kill me, I suppose. No fair gangin=
g up, gang :)
=A0
.brad.25nov08.=0A=0A=0A
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style="font: inherit;"><DIV><EM><STRONG>"Paul E. Doniger"
<[log in to unmask]></STRONG></EM> wrote:
<DIV><STRONG> </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: bookman old style, new york,
times, serif"><FONT face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"
size=2><STRONG>Brad,</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: bookman old style, new york,
times, serif"><FONT face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"
size=2><STRONG> </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: bookman old style, new york,
times, serif"><FONT face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size=2><STRONG>Who
is this naturalized German who came to the USA at age 13 and is now "the
best speaker and writer of our language?" I'm trying to figure that one
out, but I can't.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: bookman old style, new york,
times, serif"><FONT face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"
size=2><STRONG> </STRONG></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT
face=Verdana>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</FONT><BR></DIV></STRONG><STRONG></STRONG>
<DIV><STRONG>Brad replied:</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>My Mom taught me to not say, "I can't", but to say, "I haven't
yet".</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>You'll get it but if you don't, I won't let you dangle too
long.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>.brad.11feb08.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT
face=verdana>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</FONT><BR></STRONG><BR><STRONG>Wow! Last
February I said I wouldn't let you dangle but dangle you did.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>I'm sorry.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Henry Kissinger.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>I invite you to show me grammatical errors in his writing ...
or speeches, if any are of record. Google is going to kill me, I suppose. No
fair ganging up, gang <FONT color=#007f40>:</FONT></STRONG><FONT
color=#c00000>)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>.brad.25nov08.</STRONG></DIV></td></tr></table><br>
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 09:14:57 -0800
From: "Paul E. Doniger" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: the most articulate American
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Brad,=0A=091. I wasn't dangling -- in fact, I almost forgot that I ever ask=
ed the question (I've been occupied with other matters).=0A=092. Henry Kiss=
inger is a talented person, but I don't agree that he is "the best speaker =
and writer of our language," nor is he "The most articulate American." Good=
use of grammar is not the only criterion of articulate speech or writing; =
in fact, it may not be the most important, either.=0A=093. I don't believe =
that it is possible (nor even desirable) to identify one person as "the mos=
t" or "the best" anything; as my rhetoric professors might have said: "Swee=
ping generalizations are never true!"=0ASorry to be contrary, but thanks ju=
st the same=A0for the belated response,=A0and may=A0all of=A0you lovely fel=
low grammar lovers=A0have a lovely, restful Thanksgiving.=0A=A0=0ARedundant=
ly yours,=0A=A0=0APaul D.=0A=A0=0AP.S.=A0For those of you who might be inte=
rested in why I have been so long silent on=A0the list, you might want to c=
heck out the (lovely?)=A0website I designed for my school theatre program: =
www.pomperaug.com/organizations/theatre -- it's kept me busy, and it's a do=
ozy!=A0=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Brad Johnston <=
[log in to unmask]>=0ATo: [log in to unmask]: Tuesday, Novem=
ber 25, 2008 9:31:39 AM=0ASubject: the most articulate American=0A=0A=0A"Pa=
ul E. Doniger" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: =0A=A0=0ABrad,=0A=A0=0AWho is thi=
s naturalized German who came to the USA at age 13 and is now "the best spe=
aker and writer of our language?" I'm trying to figure that one out,=A0but =
I can't.=0A=A0=0A~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=0A=0ABrad replied:=0A=A0=0AMy Mom taught m=
e to not say, "I can't", but to say, "I haven't yet".=0A=A0=0AYou'll get it=
but if you don't, I won't let you dangle too long.=0A=A0=0A.brad.11feb08.=
=0A=A0=0A~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~=0A=0AWow! Last February I said I wouldn't let you =
dangle but dangle you did.=0A=A0=0AI'm sorry.=0A=A0=0AHenry Kissinger.=0A=
=A0=0AI invite you to show me grammatical errors in his writing ... or spee=
ches, if any are of record. Google is going to kill me, I suppose. No fair =
ganging up, gang :)=0A=A0=0A.brad.25nov08. =0ATo join or leave this LISTSER=
V list, please visit the list's web interface at: http://listserv.muohio.ed=
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times, serif;font-size:12pt"><DIV>Brad,</DIV>
<OL>
<LI>I wasn't dangling -- in fact, I almost forgot that I ever asked the
question (I've been occupied with other matters).</LI>
<LI><FONT face="bookman old style, new york, times, serif">Henry Kissinger
is a talented person, but I don't agree that he is "the best speaker and
writer of our language," nor is he "The most articulate American."</FONT>
Good use of grammar is not the only criterion of articulate speech or
writing; in fact, it may not be the most important, either.</LI>
<LI>I don't believe that it is possible (nor even desirable) to identify one
person as "the most" or "the best" anything; as my rhetoric professors might
have said: "Sweeping generalizations are never true!"</LI></OL>
<P>Sorry to be contrary, but thanks just the same for the belated
response, and may all of you lovely fellow grammar
lovers have a lovely, restful Thanksgiving.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Redundantly yours,</P>
<P> </P>
<P>Paul D.</P>
<P> </P>
<P>P.S. For those of you who might be interested in why I have been so
long silent on the list, you might want to check out the
(lovely?) website I designed for my school theatre program: <A
href="http://www.pomperaug.com/organizations/theatre">www.pomperaug.com/orga
nizations/theatre</A> -- it's kept me busy, and it's a doozy! <BR></P>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Brad Johnston
<[log in to unmask]><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">To:</SPAN></B> [log in to unmask]<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, November 25, 2008
9:31:39 AM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> the
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wrote:
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: bookman old style, new york,
times, serif"><FONT face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"
size=2><STRONG>Brad,</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: bookman old style, new york,
times, serif"><FONT face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"
size=2><STRONG> </STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: bookman old style, new york,
times, serif"><FONT face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" size=2><STRONG>Who
is this naturalized German who came to the USA at age 13 and is now "the
best speaker and writer of our language?" I'm trying to figure that one
out, but I can't.</STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: bookman old style, new york,
times, serif"><FONT face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"
size=2><STRONG> </STRONG></FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT
face=Verdana>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</FONT><BR></DIV></STRONG><STRONG></STRONG>
<DIV><STRONG>Brad replied:</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>My Mom taught me to not say, "I can't", but to say, "I haven't
yet".</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>You'll get it but if you don't, I won't let you dangle too
long.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>.brad.11feb08.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT
face=verdana>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</FONT><BR></STRONG><BR><STRONG>Wow! Last
February I said I wouldn't let you dangle but dangle you did.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>I'm sorry.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Henry Kissinger.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>I invite you to show me grammatical errors in his writing ...
or speeches, if any are of record. Google is going to kill me, I suppose. No
fair ganging up, gang <FONT color=#007f40>:</FONT></STRONG><FONT
color=#c00000>)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>.brad.25nov08.</STRONG></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR>To
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:01:12 -0800
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Subject: Re: the most articulate American
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Paul,
=A0
I agree with everything you say.
=A0
Before I can recall Henry's crown, I should ask you for the name of someone=
who does it better, using your criteria.
=A0
Brad.
--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Paul E. Doniger <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Brad,
=A0
Henry Kissinger is a talented person, but I don't agree that he is "the bes=
t speaker and writer of our language," nor is he "The most articulate Ameri=
can." Good use of grammar is not the only criterion of articulate speech or=
writing; in fact, it may not be the most important, either.
=A0
I don't believe that it is possible (nor even desirable) to identify one pe=
rson as "the most" or "the best" anything; as my rhetoric professors might =
have said: "Sweeping generalizations are never true!"
=A0=0A=0A=0A
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style="font: inherit;"><DIV>Paul,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I agree with <U>everything</U> you say.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Before I can recall Henry's crown, I should ask you for the name of
someone who does it better, using <U>your</U> criteria.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Brad.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 11/25/08, Paul E. Doniger
<I><[log in to unmask]></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: bookman old style, new york,
times, serif">Brad,</DIV>
<P style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: bookman old style, new york, times,
serif"><FONT face="bookman old style, new york, times,
serif"></FONT> </DIV>
<P style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: bookman old style, new york, times,
serif"><FONT face="bookman old style, new york, times, serif">Henry
Kissinger is a talented person, but I don't agree that he is "the best
speaker and writer of our language," nor is he "The most articulate
American."</FONT> Good use of grammar is not the only criterion of
articulate speech or writing; in fact, it may not be the most important,
either.</DIV>
<P style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: bookman old style, new york, times,
serif"> </DIV>
<P style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: bookman old style, new york, times,
serif">I don't believe that it is possible (nor even desirable) to identify
one person as "the most" or "the best" anything; as my rhetoric professors
might have said: "Sweeping generalizations are never true!"</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></td></tr></table><br>
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 13:51:49 -0800
From: "Paul E. Doniger" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: the most articulate American
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Brad,=0A=0AIf you agreed with everything I said, then you wouldn't ask such=
a question. I see no=A0value in debating about who is or who isn't a bette=
r user of the English language than Henry Kissinger. I'd rather just=A0dwel=
l joyfully in=A0good language when I come across it and not make comparison=
s.=0A=0APaul=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Brad Johns=
ton <[log in to unmask]>=0ATo: [log in to unmask]: Tuesday, =
November 25, 2008 2:01:12 PM=0ASubject: Re: the most articulate American=0A=
=0A=0APaul,=0A=0AI agree with everything you say.=0A=0ABefore I can recall =
Henry's crown, I should ask you for the name of someone who does it better,=
using your criteria.=0A=0ABrad.=0A=0A--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Paul E. Doniger=
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:=0A=0A=0ABrad,=0A=A0=0AHenry Kissinger is a tale=
nted person, but I don't agree that he is "the best speaker and writer of o=
ur language," nor is he "The most articulate American." Good use of grammar=
is not the only criterion of articulate speech or writing; in fact, it may=
not be the most important, either. =0A=A0 =0AI don't believe that it is po=
ssible (nor even desirable) to identify one person as "the most" or "the be=
st" anything; as my rhetoric professors might have said: "Sweeping generali=
zations are never true!" =0A =0ATo join or leave this LISTSERV list, please=
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times, serif;font-size:12pt"><DIV>Brad,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If you agreed with everything I said, then you wouldn't ask such a
question. I see no value in debating about who is or who isn't a better
user of the English language than Henry Kissinger. I'd rather
just dwell joyfully in good language when I come across it and not
make comparisons.</DIV>
<DIV><BR>Paul</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: bookman old style, new york,
times, serif"><BR>
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serif"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2>
<HR SIZE=1>
<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Brad Johnston
<[log in to unmask]><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">To:</SPAN></B> [log in to unmask]<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tuesday, November 25, 2008
2:01:12 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: the
most articulate American<BR></FONT><BR>
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<DIV>Paul,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I agree with <U>everything</U> you say.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Before I can recall Henry's crown, I should ask you for the name of
someone who does it better, using <U>your</U> criteria.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Brad.<BR><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 11/25/08, Paul E. Doniger
<I><[log in to unmask]></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: bookman old style, new york,
times, serif">Brad,</DIV>
<P style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: bookman old style, new york, times,
serif"><FONT face="bookman old style, new york, times,
serif"></FONT> </P></DIV>
<P style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: bookman old style, new york, times,
serif"><FONT face="bookman old style, new york, times, serif">Henry
Kissinger is a talented person, but I don't agree that he is "the best
speaker and writer of our language," nor is he "The most articulate
American."</FONT> Good use of grammar is not the only criterion of
articulate speech or writing; in fact, it may not be the most important,
either.
<P style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: bookman old style, new york, times,
serif">
<P style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: bookman old style, new york, times,
serif">I don't believe that it is possible (nor even desirable) to identify
one person as "the most" or "the best" anything; as my rhetoric professors
might have said: "Sweeping generalizations are never true!"
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:45:46 -0800
From: Brad Johnston <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: the most articulate American
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Whadaya talking about? There are Best and Worst lists published every day. =
Netflix sends you a DVD movie and asks you to grade it one to five:=A0hated=
it, didn't like it,=A0liked it, liked it a lot, loved it. Then their compu=
ter tells you what it thinks you'll grade a movie you haven't seen yet.
=A0
Every speech I ever gave I had a critic sitting in the back - a speech prof=
essor if I could find one.
=A0
You don't like my choice, tell=A0us what yours is.
=A0
Don't you pay attention to what people write and how they write it? If you =
do, you must think some are better than others. Henry's going to be tough t=
o beat but go ahead and try it. Take a shot.
=A0
Anyone else want to take a shot and let Paul hunker down? It's not=A0Heming=
way and it's not George Bush and it's not Mary Higgins Clark. Who is it? Wh=
o's really got a handle on our language?
=A0
C'mon, gang. Who's really good at it?
=A0
--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Paul E. Doniger <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
=A0
If you agreed with everything I said, then you wouldn't ask such a question=
. I see no=A0value in debating=A0who is or who isn't a better user of the E=
nglish language than Henry Kissinger. I'd rather just=A0dwell joyfully in=
=A0good language when I come across it and not make comparisons.
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style="font: inherit;"><DIV>Whadaya talking about? There are Best and Worst
lists published every day. Netflix sends you a DVD movie and asks you to
grade it one to five<STRONG>:</STRONG> hated it, didn't like
it, liked it, liked it a lot, loved it. Then their computer tells you
what it thinks you'll grade a movie you haven't seen yet.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Every speech I ever gave I had a critic sitting in the back - a speech
professor if I could find one.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You don't like my choice, tell us what yours is.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Don't you pay attention to what people write and how they write it? If
you do, you must think some are better than others. Henry's going to be
tough to beat but go ahead and try it. Take a shot.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Anyone else want to take a shot and let Paul hunker down? It's
not Hemingway and it's not George Bush and it's not Mary Higgins Clark.
Who is it? Who's really got a handle on our language?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>C'mon, gang. Who's really good at it?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>--- On <B>Tue, 11/25/08, Paul E. Doniger
<I><[log in to unmask]></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If you agreed with everything I said, then you wouldn't ask such a
question. I see no value in debating who is or who isn't a better
user of the English language than Henry Kissinger. I'd rather
just dwell joyfully in good language when I come across it and not
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:18:27 -0800
From: Carol Morrison <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: the most articulate American
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The most articulate American? Let's see...in terms of speaking clearly, dis=
tinctly, and coherently in addition to displaying mastery over the English =
language, I'd=A0include the following on my list:
=A0
1. Sylvester Stallone
2. Brad Pitt
3. Anna Nicole Smith
4.=A0John McCain
5. Sarah Palin
=A0
The last two are clearly mavericks, both as politicians and public speakers=
. Oh, I almost forgot...Joe the Plumber. He's very articulate as well.
CLM
--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Brad Johnston <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
From: Brad Johnston <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: the most articulate American
To: [log in to unmask]
Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 6:45 PM
Whadaya talking about? There are Best and Worst lists published every day. =
Netflix sends you a DVD movie and asks you to grade it one to five:=A0hated=
it, didn't like it,=A0liked it, liked it a lot, loved it. Then their compu=
ter tells you what it thinks you'll grade a movie you haven't seen yet.
=A0
Every speech I ever gave I had a critic sitting in the back - a speech prof=
essor if I could find one.
=A0
You don't like my choice, tell=A0us what yours is.
=A0
Don't you pay attention to what people write and how they write it? If you =
do, you must think some are better than others. Henry's going to be tough t=
o beat but go ahead and try it. Take a shot.
=A0
Anyone else want to take a shot and let Paul hunker down? It's not=A0Heming=
way and it's not George Bush and it's not Mary Higgins Clark. Who is it? Wh=
o's really got a handle on our language?
=A0
C'mon, gang. Who's really good at it?
=A0
--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Paul E. Doniger <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
=A0
If you agreed with everything I said, then you wouldn't ask such a question=
. I see no=A0value in debating=A0who is or who isn't a better user of the E=
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style="font: inherit;"><DIV>The most articulate American? Let's see...in
terms of speaking clearly, distinctly, and coherently in addition to
displaying mastery over the English language, I'd include the following
on my list:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>1. Sylvester Stallone</DIV>
<DIV>2. Brad Pitt</DIV>
<DIV>3. Anna Nicole Smith</DIV>
<DIV>4. John McCain</DIV>
<DIV>5. Sarah Palin</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The last two are clearly mavericks, both as politicians and public
speakers. Oh, I almost forgot...Joe the Plumber. He's very articulate as
well.</DIV>
<DIV>CLM<BR>--- On <B>Tue, 11/25/08, Brad Johnston
<I><[log in to unmask]></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Brad Johnston
<[log in to unmask]><BR>Subject: Re: the most articulate
American<BR>To: [log in to unmask]<BR>Date: Tuesday, November 25,
2008, 6:45 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=yiv2024379714>
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<DIV>Whadaya talking about? There are Best and Worst lists published every
day. Netflix sends you a DVD movie and asks you to grade it one to
five<STRONG>:</STRONG> hated it, didn't like it, liked it, liked
it a lot, loved it. Then their computer tells you what it thinks you'll
grade a movie you haven't seen yet.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Every speech I ever gave I had a critic sitting in the back - a speech
professor if I could find one.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>You don't like my choice, tell us what yours is.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Don't you pay attention to what people write and how they write it? If
you do, you must think some are better than others. Henry's going to be
tough to beat but go ahead and try it. Take a shot.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Anyone else want to take a shot and let Paul hunker down? It's
not Hemingway and it's not George Bush and it's not Mary Higgins Clark.
Who is it? Who's really got a handle on our language?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>C'mon, gang. Who's really good at it?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>--- On <B>Tue, 11/25/08, Paul E. Doniger
<I><[log in to unmask]></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If you agreed with everything I said, then you wouldn't ask such a
question. I see no value in debating who is or who isn't a better
user of the English language than Henry Kissinger. I'd rather
just dwell joyfully in good language when I come across it and not
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 18:20:15 -0600
From: Susan van Druten <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: the most articulate American
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Barack Obama.
But you weren't really listening to Paul. When he said he didn't
want to play best and worst list games, you said you agreed with
him. Clearly, you do not agree with him. I don't particularly think
Obama is a great orator (because politicians are full of b.s.), but
since I'd rather listen to him than Henry and since he's kinda in the
news right now, he's my choice for greatest political living orator.
As far as verbal skills--and not speeches--go, I think Steven Colbert
is very clever. But he's playing the role of a sophist. I also like
Mark Twain and George Orwell and H.L. Mencken.
On Nov 25, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Brad Johnston wrote:
> Whadaya talking about? There are Best and Worst lists published
> every day. Netflix sends you a DVD movie and asks you to grade it
> one to five: hated it, didn't like it, liked it, liked it a lot,
> loved it. Then their computer tells you what it thinks you'll grade
> a movie you haven't seen yet.
>
> Every speech I ever gave I had a critic sitting in the back - a
> speech professor if I could find one.
>
> You don't like my choice, tell us what yours is.
>
> Don't you pay attention to what people write and how they write it?
> If you do, you must think some are better than others. Henry's
> going to be tough to beat but go ahead and try it. Take a shot.
>
> Anyone else want to take a shot and let Paul hunker down? It's not
> Hemingway and it's not George Bush and it's not Mary Higgins Clark.
> Who is it? Who's really got a handle on our language?
>
> C'mon, gang. Who's really good at it?
>
> --- On Tue, 11/25/08, Paul E. Doniger <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> If you agreed with everything I said, then you wouldn't ask such a
> question. I see no value in debating who is or who isn't a better
> user of the English language than Henry Kissinger. I'd rather just
> dwell joyfully in good language when I come across it and not make
> comparisons.
>
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Barack Obama. =A0<div><br></div><div>But you weren't really listening to =
Paul. =A0When he said he didn't want to play best and worst list games, =
you said you agreed with him. =A0Clearly, you do not agree with him. =A0I =
don't particularly think Obama is a great orator (because politicians =
are full of b.s.), but since I'd rather listen to him than Henry and =
since he's kinda in the news right now, he's my choice for greatest =
political living orator. =A0As far as verbal skills--and not =
speeches--go, I think Steven Colbert is very clever. =A0But he's playing =
the role of a sophist. =A0I also like Mark Twain and George Orwell and =
H.L. Mencken.</div><div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Nov 25, =
2008, at 5:45 PM, Brad Johnston wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><table =
cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0"><tbody><tr><td =
valign=3D"top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><div>Whadaya talking about? =
There are Best and Worst lists published every day. Netflix sends you a =
DVD movie and asks you to grade it one to five<strong>:</strong>=A0hated =
it, didn't like it,=A0liked it, liked it a lot, loved it. Then their =
computer tells you what it thinks you'll grade a movie you haven't seen =
yet.</div> <div>=A0</div> <div>Every speech I ever gave I had a critic =
sitting in the back - a speech professor if I could find one.</div> =
<div>=A0</div> <div>You don't like my choice, tell=A0us what yours =
is.</div> <div>=A0</div> <div>Don't you pay attention to what people =
write and how they write it? If you do, you must think some are better =
than others. Henry's going to be tough to beat but go ahead and try it. =
Take a shot.</div> <div>=A0</div> <div>Anyone else want to take a shot =
and let Paul hunker down? It's not=A0Hemingway and it's not George Bush =
and it's not Mary Higgins Clark. Who is it? Who's really got a handle on =
our language?</div> <div>=A0</div> <div>C'mon, gang. Who's really good =
at it?</div> <div>=A0</div> <div>--- On <b>Tue, 11/25/08, Paul E. =
Doniger <i><<a =
href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>></i></b> =
wrote:</div> <div>=A0</div> <div>If you agreed with everything I said, =
then you wouldn't ask such a question. I see no=A0value in debating=A0who =
is or who isn't a better user of the English language than Henry =
Kissinger. I'd rather just=A0dwell joyfully in=A0good language when I =
come across it and not make comparisons.<font face=3D"Tahoma" =
size=3D"2"></font></div> <div><font face=3D"Tahoma" =
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:48:59 -0600
From: "Atchley, Clinton" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: the most articulate American
It depends, of course, on your definition of "great" and "articulate," =
but for his ability to work an audience, it has to be Bill Clinton.
=20
Clinton Atchley, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of English
Director, Master of Liberal Arts Program
Box 7652
Henderson State University
Arkadelphia, AR 71999
Phone: 870.230.5276
Email: [log in to unmask]
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van Druten
Sent: Tue 11/25/2008 6:20 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: the most articulate American
Barack Obama. =20
But you weren't really listening to Paul. When he said he didn't want =
to play best and worst list games, you said you agreed with him. =
Clearly, you do not agree with him. I don't particularly think Obama is =
a great orator (because politicians are full of b.s.), but since I'd =
rather listen to him than Henry and since he's kinda in the news right =
now, he's my choice for greatest political living orator. As far as =
verbal skills--and not speeches--go, I think Steven Colbert is very =
clever. But he's playing the role of a sophist. I also like Mark Twain =
and George Orwell and H.L. Mencken.
On Nov 25, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Brad Johnston wrote:
Whadaya talking about? There are Best and Worst lists published every =
day. Netflix sends you a DVD movie and asks you to grade it one to five: =
hated it, didn't like it, liked it, liked it a lot, loved it. Then their =
computer tells you what it thinks you'll grade a movie you haven't seen =
yet.
=20
Every speech I ever gave I had a critic sitting in the back - a speech =
professor if I could find one.
=20
You don't like my choice, tell us what yours is.
=20
Don't you pay attention to what people write and how they write it? If =
you do, you must think some are better than others. Henry's going to be =
tough to beat but go ahead and try it. Take a shot.
=20
Anyone else want to take a shot and let Paul hunker down? It's not =
Hemingway and it's not George Bush and it's not Mary Higgins Clark. Who =
is it? Who's really got a handle on our language?
=20
C'mon, gang. Who's really good at it?
=20
--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Paul E. Doniger <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
=20
If you agreed with everything I said, then you wouldn't ask such a =
question. I see no value in debating who is or who isn't a better user =
of the English language than Henry Kissinger. I'd rather just dwell =
joyfully in good language when I come across it and not make =
comparisons.
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 19:35:46 -0800
From: Brad Johnston <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: the most articulate American
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GOOD shot!
=A0
Depends on what the definition of "is" is, n.t.s.
=A0
Has he ever written anything we can get hold of? that he wrote himself?
=A0
--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Atchley, Clinton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
It depends, of course, on your definition of "great" and
"articulate," but for his ability to work an audience, it has to be
Bill Clinton.
=20
Clinton Atchley, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of English
Director, Master of Liberal Arts Program
Box 7652
Henderson State University
Arkadelphia, AR 71999
Phone: 870.230.5276
Email: [log in to unmask]
URL: http://www.hsu.edu/atchlec=20
________________________________
From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar on behalf of Susan van
Druten
Sent: Tue 11/25/2008 6:20 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: the most articulate American
Barack Obama. =20
But you weren't really listening to Paul. When he said he didn't want
to play best and worst list games, you said you agreed with him. Clearly, =
you
do not agree with him. I don't particularly think Obama is a great orator
(because politicians are full of b.s.), but since I'd rather listen to him
than Henry and since he's kinda in the news right now, he's my choice
for greatest political living orator. As far as verbal skills--and not
speeches--go, I think Steven Colbert is very clever. But he's playing the
role of a sophist. I also like Mark Twain and George Orwell and H.L. Menck=
en.
On Nov 25, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Brad Johnston wrote:
Whadaya talking about? There are Best and Worst lists published every day.
Netflix sends you a DVD movie and asks you to grade it one to five: hated i=
t,
didn't like it, liked it, liked it a lot, loved it. Then their computer
tells you what it thinks you'll grade a movie you haven't seen yet.
=20
Every speech I ever gave I had a critic sitting in the back - a speech
professor if I could find one.
=20
You don't like my choice, tell us what yours is.
=20
Don't you pay attention to what people write and how they write it? If you
do, you must think some are better than others. Henry's going to be tough t=
o
beat but go ahead and try it. Take a shot.
=20
Anyone else want to take a shot and let Paul hunker down? It's not
Hemingway and it's not George Bush and it's not Mary Higgins Clark. Who
is it? Who's really got a handle on our language?
=20
C'mon, gang. Who's really good at it?
=20
--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Paul E. Doniger <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
=20
If you agreed with everything I said, then you wouldn't ask such a
question. I see no value in debating who is or who isn't a better user of
the English language than Henry Kissinger. I'd rather just dwell joyfully i=
n
good language when I come across it and not make comparisons.
=20
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style="font: inherit;"><DIV><STRONG>GOOD shot!</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Depends on what the definition of "is" is,
n.t.s.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>Has he ever written anything we can get hold of? that he wrote
himself?</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><BR>--- On <B>Tue, 11/25/08, Atchley, Clinton
<I><[log in to unmask]></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT:
rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid"><PRE>It depends, of course, on your definition of
"great" and
"articulate," but for his ability to work an audience, it has to be
Bill Clinton.
Clinton Atchley, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of English
Director, Master of Liberal Arts Program
Box 7652
Henderson State University
Arkadelphia, AR 71999
Phone: 870.230.5276
Email: [log in to unmask]
URL: http://www.hsu.edu/atchlec
________________________________
From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar on behalf of Susan van
Druten
Sent: Tue 11/25/2008 6:20 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: the most articulate American
Barack Obama.
But you weren't really listening to Paul. When he said he didn't want
to play best and worst list games, you said you agreed with him. Clearly,
you
do not agree with him. I don't particularly think Obama is a great orator
(because politicians are full of b.s.), but since I'd rather listen to him
than Henry and since he's kinda in the news right now, he's my choice
for greatest political living orator. As far as verbal skills--and not
speeches--go, I think Steven Colbert is very clever. But he's playing the
role of a sophist. I also like Mark Twain and George Orwell and H.L.
Mencken.
On Nov 25, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Brad Johnston wrote:
Whadaya talking about? There are Best and Worst lists published every day.
Netflix sends you a DVD movie and asks you to grade it one to five: hated
it,
didn't like it, liked it, liked it a lot, loved it. Then their computer
tells you what it thinks you'll grade a movie you haven't seen yet.
Every speech I ever gave I had a critic sitting in the back - a speech
professor if I could find one.
You don't like my choice, tell us what yours is.
Don't you pay attention to what people write and how they write it? If you
do, you must think some are better than others. Henry's going to be tough to
beat but go ahead and try it. Take a shot.
Anyone else want to take a shot and let Paul hunker down? It's not
Hemingway and it's not George Bush and it's not Mary Higgins Clark. Who
is it? Who's really got a handle on our language?
C'mon, gang. Who's really good at it?
--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Paul E. Doniger <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
If you agreed with everything I said, then you wouldn't ask such a
question. I see no value in debating who is or who isn't a better user of
the English language than Henry Kissinger. I'd rather just dwell joyfully in
good language when I come across it and not make comparisons.
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:35:56 -0500
From: "Spruiell, William C" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: the most articulate American
The great thing about best/worst lists is that they allow one to take
whatever one's personal opinions are and repackage them as something
vaguely resembling objectivity. Therefore, I shall now settle the issue
once and for all by proposing a simple criterion:
A speaker is not qualified to be considered a contender for "best
speaker" unless s/he can spontaneously utter a contextually appropriate,
and non-self-referential, sentence containing the words 'defenestrate,'
'capybara,' 'promontory' and 'snood'.
There you have it. I have no examples of any utterance meeting the
criterion, and hence there is no best speaker.
Sincerely,
Bill Spruiell
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From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
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Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:49 PM
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Subject: Re: the most articulate American
It depends, of course, on your definition of "great" and "articulate,"
but for his ability to work an audience, it has to be Bill Clinton.
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Clinton Atchley, Ph.D.
Associate Professor of English
Director, Master of Liberal Arts Program
Box 7652
Henderson State University
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From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar on behalf of Susan
van Druten
Sent: Tue 11/25/2008 6:20 PM
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Subject: Re: the most articulate American
Barack Obama. =20
But you weren't really listening to Paul. When he said he didn't want
to play best and worst list games, you said you agreed with him.
Clearly, you do not agree with him. I don't particularly think Obama is
a great orator (because politicians are full of b.s.), but since I'd
rather listen to him than Henry and since he's kinda in the news right
now, he's my choice for greatest political living orator. As far as
verbal skills--and not speeches--go, I think Steven Colbert is very
clever. But he's playing the role of a sophist. I also like Mark Twain
and George Orwell and H.L. Mencken.
On Nov 25, 2008, at 5:45 PM, Brad Johnston wrote:
Whadaya talking about? There are Best and Worst lists published every
day. Netflix sends you a DVD movie and asks you to grade it one to five:
hated it, didn't like it, liked it, liked it a lot, loved it. Then their
computer tells you what it thinks you'll grade a movie you haven't seen
yet.
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Every speech I ever gave I had a critic sitting in the back - a speech
professor if I could find one.
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You don't like my choice, tell us what yours is.
=20
Don't you pay attention to what people write and how they write it? If
you do, you must think some are better than others. Henry's going to be
tough to beat but go ahead and try it. Take a shot.
=20
Anyone else want to take a shot and let Paul hunker down? It's not
Hemingway and it's not George Bush and it's not Mary Higgins Clark. Who
is it? Who's really got a handle on our language?
=20
C'mon, gang. Who's really good at it?
=20
--- On Tue, 11/25/08, Paul E. Doniger <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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If you agreed with everything I said, then you wouldn't ask such a
question. I see no value in debating who is or who isn't a better user
of the English language than Henry Kissinger. I'd rather just dwell
joyfully in good language when I come across it and not make
comparisons.
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