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Edgar Schuster <[log in to unmask]>
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Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar <[log in to unmask]>
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Craig et al,
	Indeed, he thinks the standards are too high, and so do I.  He gives  
a couple of excellent examples, including this one, for SECOND grade:
	Write informative and explanatory texts in which they introduce a  
topic, use facts and definitions to develop points, present 		similar  
information together using headers to signal groupings when  
appropriate, and provide a concluding sentence or 		section.
	And another, for 12th grade, which he says is more appropriate for  
college literature classes.  (Once again, I agree.)
	I can't believe anyone on that writing committee has ever taught  
below college, or in any public schools that I'm familiar with, and  
I'm amazed that officials from AFT and NEA are going along with this  
nonsense.

Ed
	

On Jun 9, 2010, at 7:56 PM, Craig Hancock wrote:

> Ed,
>    My quick reaction to the writing standards is that they are very  
> much
> genre focused without a particularly sophisticated understanding of
> the genres in play. It would be interesting, too, to see the language
> section more closely connected to genre, since the corpus grammars are
> now giving us a pretty good view of functional language patterns
> within the genres.
>    I couldn't access Newkirk's article without subscribing. Does he  
> think
> the standards are too high? Why would the dropout rate be staggering?
>
> Craig>
>
>
> I agree with Herb.  Also, has anyone looked closely at the writing
>> standards?  Read Thomas Newkirk's comments on them in the current
>> issue of Education Week.  He calls them an instance of "magical
>> thinking," and I agree totally.  If they are adopted and enforced,  
>> the
>> dropout rate will be staggering.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> On Jun 9, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Craig Hancock wrote:
>>
>>> The National governor's Association's Common core Standards have  
>>> been
>>> released and can be accessed at www.corestandards.org.
>>>   Though they still don't go as far as they ought to in that
>>> direction,
>>> they seem a radical shift in favor of knowledge about language (not
>>> just language behavior) throughout the grade levels. This, for
>>> example, is from grade 7: "Explain the function of phrases and  
>>> clauses
>>> in general and their function in specific sentences." This seems  
>>> to me
>>> the sort of thing that can't happen solely "within the context of
>>> writing" or through mini-lessons.
>>>    Check it out. If I am reading this correctly, they are calling  
>>> for
>>> far more conscious attention to language from K-12.
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>
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