Terre and Herb,
Herb raises some excellent questions for us to consider as we think through how we teach grammar -- all the language arts, actually. I think his idea about "a much more thorough-going grammar in context model" is very important. I certainly agree with the idea of teaching grammar in context, but I have also observed that often "grammar in context" means not teaching much grammar (or language development) at all. Herb's idea of a more carefully thought through scope and sequence would be very helpful -- though I recognize all the problems confronting anyone willing to take on this onerous task. We've discussed this issue numerous times in one way or another on this site.
Terre's integrated approach to teaching reading, vocabulary, writing, and grammar makes much sense. Finding those readings that students find relevant can certainly be a problem. (I've found one on car buying that my college students enjoy; the author, a former car salesman, discusses how customers are manipulated because of their ignorance.)
Jack
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Hi Herb,
Textbooks for teaching grammar to English Language Learners in secondary
and higher education are going in the direction of teaching grammar in
context, especially in more academic contexts. It's much easier to get
students to use adjectives, say, if you start off with an article on
worker's rights and then discuss the article as well as students'
experiences afterwards. Students care about the topic and want to talk
about it. Along the way, they learn the correct placement of adjectives as
well as great vocabulary and other grammar that happens to crop up within
the context. ...this just happens to be the approach taken on the
textbooks series I'm working on. I'm not endorsing it, for the record.
Best,
Terre
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Date: 12/26/2011 02:32 PM
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Jack,
You raise important questions or pedagogy and of content, questions we have
discussed at length on this forum without reaching consensus. Should
grammar be taught as content? Should it be taught as an adjunct to the
teaching of writing? What you suggest is that a significant amount of
grammar, grammar that is useful to writers, can be taught in the process of
meeting the needs of developing writers. And this leads me to wonder
whether a grammar in context approach might not be a way to introduce
grammatical knowledge that we all think is useful and presenting it in a
way that makes its relevance obvious. This suggests a much more
thorough-going grammar in context model than we usually see in writing
classrooms, rather, an approach that starts in early grades and
incorporates grammar into language arts activities across the board.
Not being a K12 teacher, I may be describing what some teachers are already
doing.
Herb
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Terre:
Thank you for your detailed response. I do want to check out Kate
Kinsella's work in using academic vocabulary and sentence frames. (Any
titles in particular where I should start?) I am familiar with "They Say,
I Say" and agree that it can be useful for helping students understand
those deeper cognitive structures that academic writers use - actually used
by more than just academics.
I would like a copy of your rubric if you are willing to share. Are the
two essays you use pieces that you have collected or written yourself, or
are they published somewhere so that I could access them?
What I like about your strategies for teaching academic vocabulary and
using sentence frames is that you are teaching students how to communicate
without putting the focus on error. So many objectives that involve
developing language proficiency involve error avoidance or correction.
While correcting errors is important, teaching students how to accomplish
larger rhetorical goals seems more productive to me. In my classes over
the last few years (developmental writing and freshman English at an
open-admissions community college), I have worked with sentence imitation,
tied with comprehension. I take sentences with some level of structural
complexity that I can be fairly sure my students will understand when we
read and discuss them. I then model imitating the structure, not the
content; we do a few together; then, I have them write a few original
sentences which we read around the room. At the end of that session, the
students feel they have done something important.
My underlying goal is to show them that, in fact, they know more grammar
than they think they do and that we are going to build on what they know.
As we discuss how any given structure works, I begin to introduce them to
the concepts of phrases, clauses, punctuation - all tied to the ways the
meaning gets conveyed.
Jack
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Hi Jack,
Several people have contacted me individually about this exercise. I'm
happy to share my rubric with you (and anyone else), if you'd like. I'm an
editor by day, but at night I teach an intermediate level ESL grammar and
academic writing class at a community college. Every semester I've gotten a
few Gen 1.5ers and they're usually quite frustrated because they don't see
themselves as ESL students - and they're not the typical student in my
class. Because of learning English by 'ear', their level of proficiency is
hard to pinpoint - they use passive constructions but leave out verb
inflections and auxiliaries and have lots of SPEWD.The exercise has been a
way for me to address the issue of spoken vs. written English right from
the start in a way that makes my Gen 1.5ers feel a sense of accomplishment
that they've "mastered" a register in English. It also helps them
understand what they need to focus on in writing. The rest of the class
understands why they can't understand what English speakers are saying
around them even though they have some knowledge of the grammatical rules.
The challenge is figuring out ways of teaching that help them learn this
register in speaking and writing. I've been very influenced by Kate
Kinsella's work in using academic vocabulary and sentence frames in spoken
tasks to help students become familiar with this language. If the students
have learned the language by 'ear' then it seems likely that if they are
given opportunities to use academic language to express ideas, then this
language will seep into their writing more naturally. That's my thinking
and that's what I'm exploring more and more in my teaching. I'm also
reading "They Say, I Say", which, I think, takes a similar approach in
terms of sentence frames.
I'm happy to hear from others on this topic.
Terre
Teresa Lintner
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This strategy sounds excellent.
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Hi Steve,
The Longman Grammar of Spoken and Written English would be a good resource.
One thing I do with my ESL students at the beginning of the semester is to
present them with two short essays on the same topic, one written in SPEWD
(I love that acronym!) and the other in academic English. Then I ask them
to analyze the two essays using a rubric that helps them recognize the
differences between the two registers. A revelation for my Gen 1.5ers is
realizing that "gonna" is actually "going to."
Terre
Teresa Lintner
Senior Development Editor
Cambridge University Press
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Date: 12/20/2011 06:57 PM
Subject: Spoken vs. formal written English
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Can anyone direct me to a text that focuses, at length, on the differences
between spoken and written versions of language? It seems to me that a
great many of my community college students, especially those who have been
out of school for some time, use a version of English that could be
characterized as "Spoken English Written Down." (A colleague suggested the
acronym "SPEWD.") I have my own list of those differences, but am looking
for other resources. Many thanks in advance!
Steve King
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