A number of us who took the required California test for teachers met during
the break, discussed a number of questions to which no correct answer was
given and a number for which no answer was correct. We exchanged addresses,
wrote up a letter explaining the myriad faults of the test, and sent it to
the California State board of education (this was two decades after Max
Rafferty), who replied with a form letter saying that it was not board
policy to discuss test questions and that our discussion among ourselves of
the test questions was totally unprofessional and could lead to our sanction
by the board. Almost unanimously, we told them that they were the ones who
were totally unprofessional and that we would request the NEA to sanction
them. Nothing ever happened, and no one was surprised.
Scott Catledge
I consider some of the questions to be totally incorrect or inappropriate
and will gladly send a letter to whomever. I do not expect any meaningful
response.
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1. A Test of Essential Academic Skills
2. Definition of Term
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Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:33:08 -0400
From: Wanda Van Goor <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: A Test of Essential Academic Skills
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I hope NCTE will see fit to respond to the test.?
?
I'm retired, but would probably be happy to sign a letter sent by as many
ATEGers as possible...a letter a bit more polite than our private comments!?
Keep us posted.
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From: Johanna Rubba <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 5:47 pm
Subject: Re: A Test of Essential Academic Skills
ATEG being affiliated with NCTE, wouldn't be appropriate for ATEG to issue a
statement on this execrable test and make it known to both the state of
Idaho and ATI? I don't know if such statements would have to be "vetted" by
any higher-up NCTE committees or officers.?
?
I found the home page for ATI:?
?
http://www.atitesting.com/?
?
Perhaps a letter signed by a number of us "experts" would at least inform
them of the situation. Their contact info gives both a snail address and an
e-mail address for comments.?
?
Dr. Johanna Rubba, Ph. D.?
Associate Professor, Linguistics?
Linguistics Minor Advisor?
English Dept.?
Cal Poly State University San Luis Obispo?
San Luis Obispo, CA 93407?
Ofc. tel. : 805-756-2184?
Dept. tel.: 805-756-2596?
Dept. fax: 805-756-6374?
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URL: cla.calpoly.edu/~jrubba?
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<div>I hope NCTE will see fit to respon<SPAN contentEditable=false
style="DISPLAY: inline-block"></SPAN>d to the test. </div>
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<div>I'm retired, but would probably be happy to sign a letter sent by as
many ATEGers as possible...a letter a bit more polite than our private
comments! Keep us posted.</div>
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From: Johanna Rubba <[log in to unmask]><br>
To: [log in to unmask]<br>
Sent: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 5:47 pm<br>
Subject: Re: A Test of Essential Academic Skills<br>
<br>
<div id=AOLMsgPart_0_cb643a16-b4bd-4add-900b-ac61dd7808b4 style="FONT-SIZE:
12px; MARGIN: 0px; COLOR: #000; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial,
Sans-Serif; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff">ATEG being affiliated with NCTE,
wouldn't be appropriate for ATEG to issue a statement on this execrable test
and make it known to both the state of Idaho and ATI? I don't know if such
statements would have to be "vetted" by any higher-up NCTE committees or
officers. <br>
<br>
I found the home page for ATI: <br>
<br>
<A>http://www.atitesting.com/</A> <br>
<br>
Perhaps a letter signed by a number of us "experts" would at least inform
them of the situation. Their contact info gives both a snail address and an
e-mail address for comments. <br>
<br>
Dr. Johanna Rubba, Ph. D. <br>
Associate Professor, Linguistics <br>
Linguistics Minor Advisor <br>
English Dept. <br>
Cal Poly State University San Luis Obispo <br>
San Luis Obispo, CA 93407 <br>
Ofc. tel. : 805-756-2184 <br>
Dept. tel.: 805-756-2596 <br>
Dept. fax: 805-756-6374 <br>
E-mail: <A>[log in to unmask]</A> <br>
URL: cla.calpoly.edu/~jrubba <br>
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Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 16:42:50 -0700
From: Carol Morrison <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Definition of Term
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Does anyone happen to know what the term "pretzel logic" means? I just came
across it in a book I'm reading and can't find a definition.
Thank you!
Carol Morrison
Wanda Van Goor <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
I hope NCTE will see fit to respond to the test.
I'm retired, but would probably be happy to sign a letter sent by as many
ATEGers as possible...a letter a bit more polite than our private comments!
Keep us posted.
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From: Johanna Rubba <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 5:47 pm
Subject: Re: A Test of Essential Academic Skills
ATEG being affiliated with NCTE, wouldn't be appropriate for ATEG to issue
a statement on this execrable test and make it known to both the state of
Idaho and ATI? I don't know if such statements would have to be "vetted" by
any higher-up NCTE committees or officers.
I found the home page for ATI:
http://www.atitesting.com/
Perhaps a letter signed by a number of us "experts" would at least inform
them of the situation. Their contact info gives both a snail address and an
e-mail address for comments.
Dr. Johanna Rubba, Ph. D.
Associate Professor, Linguistics
Linguistics Minor Advisor
English Dept.
Cal Poly State University San Luis Obispo
San Luis Obispo, CA 93407
Ofc. tel. : 805-756-2184
Dept. tel.: 805-756-2596
Dept. fax: 805-756-6374
E-mail: [log in to unmask]
URL: cla.calpoly.edu/~jrubba
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<div>Does anyone happen to know what the term "pretzel logic" means? I just
came across it in a book I'm reading and can't find a definition.</div>
<div>Thank you!</div> <div>Carol Morrison<BR><BR><B><I>Wanda Van Goor
<[log in to unmask]></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">
<DIV>I hope NCTE will see fit to respon<SPAN contentEditable=false
style="DISPLAY: inline-block"></SPAN>d to the test. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm retired, but would probably be happy to sign a
letter sent by as many ATEGers as possible...a letter a bit more polite than
our private comments! Keep us posted.</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Johanna Rubba
<[log in to unmask]><BR>To: [log in to unmask]<BR>Sent: Fri, 4
Apr 2008 5:47 pm<BR>Subject: Re: A Test of Essential Academic Skills<BR><BR>
<DIV
id=AOLMsgPart_0_cb643a16-b4bd-4add-900b-ac61dd7808b4 style="FONT-SIZE:
12px; MARGIN: 0px; COLOR: #000; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial,
Sans-Serif; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fff">ATEG being affiliated with NCTE,
wouldn't be appropriate for ATEG to issue a statement on this execrable test
and make it known to both the state of Idaho and ATI? I don't know if such
statements would have to be "vetted" by any higher-up NCTE committees or
officers. <BR> <BR>I found the home page for
ATI: <BR> <BR><A>http://www.atitesting.com/</A> <BR> <BR
>Perhaps a letter signed by a number of us "experts" would at least inform
them of the situation. Their contact info gives both a snail address and an
e-mail address for comments. <BR> <BR>Dr. Johanna Rubba, Ph.
D. <BR>Associate Professor, Linguistics <BR>Linguistics Minor
Advisor <BR>English Dept. <BR>Cal Poly State University San Luis
Obispo <BR>San Luis Obispo, CA
93407 <BR>Ofc. tel. : 805-756-2184 <BR>Dept. tel.:
805-756-2596 <BR>Dept. fax: 805-756-6374 <BR>E-mail:
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