Nancy, I think you sent your message to the wrong address.
Edith
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Subject: Re: "work for" plus adverb clause
Hi Shannon,
One of my great joys as a teacher is encouraging students who work hard
and want to succeed. So, you brought this on yourself! I just checked
and the financial aid office is sending me some applications. I'll have
them with me when you see me (probably by Monday). Deadline is April
21st. She did say something about it being for new students, but I
didn't know exactly what that meant. You can read the requirements to
see if you are eligible.
You must be have a 3.2 or greater. I'm sure the competition will be
fierce so a 3.2 is probably way low. You can also pick up an application
at Fin Aid if your curiosity is too great. Scholarships like these look
great on a resume too. Let me know if I can help with anything, such as
a recommendation. YES, I believe in you! Shame on the others for not
doing the same.
Good luck.
Nancy
> [Original Message]
> From: Phil Bralich <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 2/23/2006 2:44:58 PM
> Subject: Re: "work for" plus adverb clause
>
> Actually the durative meaning is not required by the verb but is a
> result
of the presence of the preposition "for". The "for" brings a durative
sense of course but this is the nature of the preposition and has
nothing to do with the verb. In fact I have seen books discuss
"for-adverbs" where any durative adverb such as briefly, temporarily,
long, short, as well as the noun-like adverbs two weeks, two years, and
so forth are included as large complex adverb when they occur with for.
Perhaps the best solution then is just to note that the fore adverb
class also includes complex comparative constructions as in the original
example, "John worked for as long as he liked" where we take the
entirety of "for as long as he liked"
as
>
> That being said, I am not completely on board with the solution as I
> find
the following acceptable and unnacceptable as marked.
>
> John worked as short as he liked
> *John worked for as short as he liked
> John worked as briefly as he liked
> *John worked for as briefly as he liked.
>
> I also think you'd be quite in the minority accepting "John worked for
> a
short as he could", but it is unlikely that anyone would accept "John
worked for as hard as he could". I think the uniqueness of the original
sentence and the lack of parallels above marks it as exceptional or
slangy rather than rule based.
>
>
> Phil Bralich
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: "Stahlke, Herbert F.W." <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Feb 23, 2006 4:36 PM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: "work for" plus adverb clause
> >
> >Phil,
> >
> >The second, with "happily", is blocked because of the durative
> >meaning required with this sense of "work". Actually, I like "John
> >worked for as short as he could" better than without the "for." I'm
> >not sure I'd use either in formal writing, but in speech they're
fine.
> >
> >Herb
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
> >[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Phil Bralich
> >Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 3:59 PM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: "work for" plus adverb clause
> >
> >Herb,
> >
> >Either of the two solutions you suggest are still hamstrung by the
> >fact that in either of those cases "for" requires a noun object and
> >thus the comparative phrase in the example is striking. For example
> >you cannot say, "John worked for as short as he could" or "for as
> >happilly as he could." If what you say is correct, those should be
equally allowed.
> >
> >Phil Bralich
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >>From: "Stahlke, Herbert F.W." <[log in to unmask]>
> >>Sent: Feb 23, 2006 12:19 PM
> >>To: [log in to unmask]
> >>Subject: Re: "work for" plus adverb clause
> >>
> >>Kathleen,
> >>
> >>I think this is a case where the language allows alternative
> >>complementation to "work". The "for" here may be by analogy either
> >>to the benefactive "for", as in "He worked for his sister", or to
> >>the durational "for" as in "he talked for two hours." But the verb
"work"
> >>allows either a bare time adverb, like "he worked two hours" or the
> >>temporal prepositional phrase "he worked for two hours." You don't
> >have
> >>to call it an idiom. They're simply alternative structures.
> >>
> >>Herb
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
> >>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kathleen M. Ward
> >>Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 2:54 PM
> >>To: [log in to unmask]
> >>Subject: "work for" plus adverb clause
> >>
> >>One of my students asked me what to do with the following sentence:
> >>
> >> He worked for as long as he could.
> >>
> >>Now, "as long as he could" is, I think pretty clearly an adverbial
> >>phrase, containing in itself a comparative clause with deletions.
> >>The question is, what do you do with the "for"? I understand that
> >>it can be omitted--and then the analysis is easier. But I would not
> >>want to say that an adverbial phrase can be a complement/object of a
> >>preposition. Is "for" a preposition here? Is it a particle? Do I
> >>just
> >
> >>throw up my hands and call it an idiom?
> >>
> >>How do other people see this?
> >>
> >>Kathleen Ward
> >>UC Davis
> >>
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