Could it be that the saying 'long gone,' as in 'he was long gone,' is
derived from this?
Janet
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I think that comes close. The participle "gone" still shows up in the
18th c. with the sense and grammar of "ago."
Herb
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So, Herb, would a more contemporary paraphrase of "ago" (the used-to-be
participle) in a phrase like "many years ago" be something like "many
years that have gone"?
Seth
Dr. Seth Katz
Assistant Professor
Department of English
Bradley University
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I agree with Dick's analysis. Historically "ago" is a shortening of an
older past participle of "go," "agone" The prefix a- has about as
complex and ancestry and etymology as anything in English, but a lot of
words that have an a- prefix are used only postnominally or
predicatively. We can't say "an awake dog" or "an alive fish," although
other a- words like "alert" and "ashamed" can be attributive. Because
"ago" has lost all participial traces but remains postnominal, it has
become what Dick called it, a postposition. "Alert," by the way, is not
etymologically one of the a- prefix words. It was borrowed from French
in something close to its current form and would break down in French
etymology to al+ert. It first appears in English in 1598 where it is
used predicatively. The first attributive usage appears in 1712.
Herb
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"Forty years ago" seems to function much like a prepositional phrase,
but with "ago" as a postposition rather than a preposition.
Thanks for posing this question, Janet. I look forward to being
enlightened by responses from others.
Dick
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Castilleja, Janet
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Hello
How do you usually analyze a structure like this: Our old beach house,
which was built forty years ago, has now vanished. What do you do with
'forty years ago'? I learned it as a noun phrase functioning as an
adverb, but I'm not sure that's the best description, especially when
working with students.
Thanks!
Janet
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