Karl,
Where would "stative" fit in?
And how do we deal with something like "The fields dried up in the sun?"
Craig
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It depends on whether you regard voice to be a property of the verb or a structural pattern of a clause. The former is the assumption, implicit or otherwise, in most traditional grammar books. In the 19th century, intransitive verbs were often said to be in the "middle" voice to account for this gap. On the other hand, much work in modern linguistics takes the second analysis to be more accurate. As a type of clause, there's no real problem. You simply say that the active-voice pattern is the unmarked default, and hence applies to anything that is not passive voice.
> On Mar 11, 2015, at 8:37 AM, Beth Young <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Interesting! Passive voice is something that only transitive verbs can have, but I've never considered active voice to be limited to transitive verbs. I've always considered all verbs that are conjugated with the formula "Tense + Modal (have + -en) (be + -ing) Main Verb" to be active voice, and verbs conjugated with the formula "Tense + Modal (have + -en) (be + -ing) + be + -en + Main Verb" to be passive voice. Otherwise, wouldn't many verbs have no voice at all? Maybe that doesn't matter.
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> Hats off to any 8th grade teachers who wade into this question with
> their students. :)
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> Beth
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> Beth,
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> If you consider "surprised" to be adjectival, then doesn't that make "was" a linking verb? In that case, there is no action verb, and thus no active voice.
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