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"STAHLKE, HERBERT F" <[log in to unmask]>
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Bruce,

Your last example is a real tour de force of sentence creation.  I love
it.  And it's matched by your simile.  I wish I'd thought of that one
when I was grading student papers.

Herb


Herb,

You are solid and correct as always.  My thinking had not really gelled.

Notice how a number of nouns can be connected adverbially as adjuncts in
the 
following (based on a root sentence from Lakoff):

When President as a candidate, juridically, Nixon was a gangster, hence
the 
move to impeach by congress while in session.

There is a certain verbless sentence that we have talked about before,
but 
it is probably a little unstable and incapable of having additions made
to 
it easily.  I think it is the intonation of the "pithy remark" that 
precludes such adjunctive modifications.

A gangster, Nixon.

This remark is a bit awkward as "Juridically, a gangster, Nixon,"  and
its 
pithy status makes it difficult if not impossible to expand to:

??When president as a candidate, juridically, a gangster, Nixon, hence
the 
move to impeach by congress while in session.

It seems so like an unstable molecule ready to fall apart from its own 
weight.

Bruce


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "STAHLKE, HERBERT F" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: What Is This?


I'm not sure there is a clearly demonstrable definition of nominative 
absolute, but the definitions I've checked in several on line manuals
and 
discussions all require a subject and a predicate but without a BE verb.

The following would be typical examples:

The window shattered by hail, the carpet was soaked during the storm.
The dog snarling fiercely behind the door, the unexpected visitors left 
without even knocking.
All fifteen pool balls in the pockets in numerical order, the game was 
declared over.

I haven't found a definition that would allow a "hence + NP" expression
as a 
nominative absolute.  I favor the suggestion that "hence" is a
conjunctive 
adverb followed by an elliptical clause, in the sentence in question an
NP.

Herb



Part of the dynamic has to do with who is using which version, hence my
attempt to focus on
"mainstream" institutions (emphasis added).

The infinitive phrase including its preceding substantive, in my
opinion, functions as an absolute construction and as such modifies the
whole sentence.  I would parse hence as a conjunctive adverb and attempt
as a nominative absolute provided to give the infinitive something to
modify.  Sorry for the confusion.



Best,

Clint



Clinton Atchley, Ph.D.

Associate Professor of English

Box 7652

1100 Henderson Street

Henderson State University

Arkadelphia, AR  71999

Phone: 870.230.5276

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Web:  http://www.hsu.edu/atchlec



From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Nancy Tuten
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:24 PM
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Subject: Re: What Is This?



Clint, did you mean to say that the prepositional phrase is a sentence
modifier or just the infinitive phrase?



Nancy L. Tuten, PhD

Professor of English

Director of the Writing-across-the-Curriculum Program

Columbia College

Columbia, South Carolina

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From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Atchley, Clinton
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:43 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: What Is This?



I'd say that the infinitive is being used absolutely as a sentence
modifier.  The preceding substantive attempt functions as a nominative
absolute.  Hence is a conjunctive or transitional adverb.  Just my two
cents.



Best,

Clint



Clinton Atchley, Ph.D.

Associate Professor of English

Box 7652

1100 Henderson Street

Henderson State University

Arkadelphia, AR  71999

Phone: 870.230.5276

Email: [log in to unmask]

Web:  http://www.hsu.edu/atchlec



From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Nancy Tuten
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:22 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: What Is This?



I'll venture a guess: a prepositional phrase, with "hence" serving as
the preposition, "attempt" as the object, and "to focus on mainstream
institutions" as an adjectival infinitive phrase modifying "attempt."
But how does the prepositional phrase (if that's what it is) function?
Is it adverbial, modifying the verb "has" in the main clause?



I'm going to print out our discussion and share it with my advanced
grammar class-all English majors, some of whom have already discovered
the joy of such discussions-the next generation of ATEGers.



Nancy

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From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Crow
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 4:09 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: What Is This?



In a very well-supported response to Nancy's inquiry about Master's
Degree, Bill wrote the following sentence:

Part of the dynamic has to do with who is using which version, hence my
attempt to focus on
"mainstream" institutions (emphasis added).

I find the sentence perfectly well formed, but I cannot figure out what
the underlined part is.  Any ideas?

John
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