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Martha Kolln <[log in to unmask]>
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Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar <[log in to unmask]>
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Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:30:25 -0500
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The restictive/nonrestrictive example I used in my classes was

        My husband, John, is a farmer.
        My son John is a student.

I would ask my students why I punctuated them differently; and I would ask
what they knew about the size of my family.  It's also a lesson about
intonation.  The first has three intonation contours; the second, only one.

Martha Kolln





>Bruce,
>
>I'm afraid I must disagree with your #1 comment below. Whether the
>appositive is one word or more than one word is not the issue. The issue is
>whether the appositive is necessary. My usual way to teach this is to ask
>who has one brother (or sister) and who has more than one. I then write out
>the two variations:
>
>My brother Charlie lives in Chicago.
>My brother, Charlie, lives in Chicago.
>
>One of the best examples I know of is this: Beethoven's opera, Fidelio, is
>magnificent.
>
>(Why can't I do italics in Outlook Express???)
>
>
>--
>Keeper of the memory and method of Francis Christensen.
>WriteforCollege.com
>The Stewart English Program (epsbooks.com)
>> From: Bruce Despain <[log in to unmask]>
>> Reply-To: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
>> <[log in to unmask]>
>> Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:05:40 -0600
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: A simple question?
>>
>> Jennifer,
>>
>> 1) The commas aren't needed with single word appositives:  "My sister Alice
>> was beautiful."
>> 2) Quotes inside quotes are ranked.  Usually we have  a single quote mark if
>> we are quoting the material around it with double quote marks.
>> 3) I have seen where a linguist, who uses the single quote marks to speak of
>>a
>> word, per se, will keep the mark within the comma.  Normally the mark will
>> include the comma, especially where multiple words are involved.  Scientists,
>> who tend to be more logical, often resist custom and insist on following
>>logic
>> in this regard.
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>>>>> [log in to unmask] 07/26/01 01:42PM >>>
>> Hello one and all,
>>
>> I have a question.  Is the placement of commas inside the quotation marks
>> correct in this sentence:  "The sculpture,"Discus Thrower," was beautiful to
>> behold."  That is, are commas always inside quotations?
>>
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