Craig:

As I said before, I want to read posts from people who work with 
children from the beginning of those children's education. I want to 
learn how they teach grammar to the students between the first and 
the fourth grades. The elementary grades, or even before, is the 
time when teachers sow the grammar seeds and set up the foundation 
of what is going to happen later. On the other hand, if I may return 
you comment about your perspective, you seem to want to beging 
grammar instruction at college level. Talking about scope and 
sequence, what is the sequence you have in mind, and what is your 
plan for the curriculum for the elementary grades? An introduction 
to linguistics? 


Eduard 





On Thu, 24 Aug 2006, Craig Hancock wrote...

>Eduard,
>   I think recent posts have been very much pro grammar, so I'm 
curious
>about what you are referring to. On the other hand, I think you seem
>reluctant to advocate trying to teach a more accurate (admittedly 
more
>complex) grammar. What I see on the list more often than not is the
>kind of post that says "students can't learn this" or "they don't 
need
>to know this." The scope and sequence project, as we have 
envisioned it
>all along, is counter to that prevailing minimalist approach. We
>believe students can learn the truth about language and that those
>truths are very rich, interesting, and useful. >
>
>Craig
>
>
>Hello, all!
>>
>> This is supposed to be a "grammar lovers" forum, right? But why 
are
>> so many post on this list from people who atack grammar and state
>> that teaching grammar does not make sense, and makes no 
difference in
>> writing? The explanation appears to be quite simple: these people 
do
>> not like grammar, do not understand grammar, and do not want to 
teach
>> grammar. Their posts indicate that they are fighting as hard as 
they
>> can to avoid the inevitable.
>>
>> Of course, grammar cannot cause any improvement in student 
writing if
>> those who "teach" it have no idea what grammar is and how to 
teach it.
>> What role model, or inspiration can a teacher who fumbles around 
and
>> is in confusion about grammar could be for students? I had a few 
of
>> such teachers and instructors, and often I had to teach them 
myself
>> what they needed to know in order to qualify for teaching.
>>
>> If I did not like grammar I would not bother to be on this list. 
What
>> for? To read again and again about others love and I hate? Part of
>> the endless harangue in the forum is caused by the situation I 
have
>> just described, people who love grammar fighting with people who 
hate
>> it. In the meantime, some people do the quiet and unrewarded work 
of
>> teaching their students Standard English in spite of the attacks 
on
>> them and the displeasure of the grammar haters.
>>
>> Eduard
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