Why sorry? You said nothing with which that anyone could disagree--
professional naysayers excluded as well as those who are ignorant of
past and preterite. I was merely musing on the hilarious attempts of
non-natives of the Deep South to imitate that regional dialect in
writing. All those who believe that participles have tense need a
basic review of grammar.
Scott Catledge
Professor Emeritus
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1. got and gotten; was RE: ATEG Digest - 25 Mar 2009 to 26 Mar 2009
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:31:42 -0400
From: Scott <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: got and gotten; was RE: ATEG Digest - 25 Mar 2009 to 26 Mar 2009
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Just as an aside, I find hilarious to read a sample of dialog in which
the writer attempt to use 'got' or 'gotten' and falls flat; e.g., I've got
to go = I must go; I've gotten to go = I had the opportunity to go and I
went. Almost always, the writer uses 'gotten' where only 'got' would fit.
Note that 'I got to go' in a past scenario carries the same meaning of
'I've gotten to go.' Colloquially, one may hear 'Well, I got to go' in
the sense of 'I've got to go.'
Scott Catledge
Professor Emeritus
Well, I know I'm going to be remarkably sorry about this.
The use of 'had' or 'have' as auxiliaries always forces the past
participle. That's how English works. "got" and 'gotten' are simply
alternate forms of the past participle of 'get.' It's just easier to
tell that 'gotten' is the past participle because it is irregular, so it
doesn't look like the preterite. The fact that the preterite and the
past participle look identical in regular English verbs doesn't mean
they are the same. This becomes clear when using verbs with irregular
past participles. While we're on the subject, past participles aren't
past, just as present participles aren't present. They have no time;
they are nonfinite. The fact that they are badly named causes no end of
confusion.
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Janet
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 10:34:55 -0400
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ATEG Members,
I am the book review editor for our journal.
I have not received our journal for over two years.
Obviously, that causes a problem, because I have no idea what book reviews =
have run and which haven't.
Is there somebody out there who is receiving the journal who would be kind =
enough to send me xeroxed copies of the last two years? Even part of that t=
ime is OK.
Thanks. This will be a big help.
Best wishes,
Dr. Marshall Myers
Department of English
Eastern Kentucky University
Richmond, KY 40475
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:45:03 -0400
From: Wesley K Davis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: <No subject given>
Myers, Marshall wrote:
>ATEG Members,
>
>I am the book review editor for our journal.
>
>I have not received our journal for over two years.
>
>Obviously, that causes a problem, because I have no idea what book
reviews have run and which haven't.
>
>Is there somebody out there who is receiving the journal who would be
kind enough to send me xeroxed copies of the last two years? Even part
of that time is OK.
>
>Thanks. This will be a big help.
>
>Best wishes,
>
>Dr. Marshall Myers
>Department of English
>Eastern Kentucky University
>Richmond, KY 40475
>
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Marshall,
I have not received an issue of the ATEG Journal since Fall 2007, and I
even renewed my membership and subscription for two more years in June
of 2008. Editor Tim Hadley said he would send me the back issues, but I
have not received anything yet.
Wes Davis
Humanities
Dalton State College
650 College Drive
Dalton, Georgia 30720
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Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 16:57:48 -0400
From: "Myers, Marshall" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: <No subject given>
Wes,
Thanks for responding. I have heard the same story from another person.
My question now is, Has the journal been published in the last two years?
Marshall
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Myers, Marshall wrote:
>ATEG Members,
>
>I am the book review editor for our journal.
>
>I have not received our journal for over two years.
>
>Obviously, that causes a problem, because I have no idea what book=20
reviews have run and which haven't.
>
>Is there somebody out there who is receiving the journal who would be=20
kind enough to send me xeroxed copies of the last two years? Even part=20
of that time is OK.
>
>Thanks. This will be a big help.
>
>Best wishes,
>
>Dr. Marshall Myers
>Department of English
>Eastern Kentucky University
>Richmond, KY 40475
>
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Marshall,
I have not received an issue of the ATEG Journal since Fall 2007, and I=20
even renewed my membership and subscription for two more years in June=20
of 2008. Editor Tim Hadley said he would send me the back issues, but I=20
have not received anything yet.
Wes Davis
Humanities
Dalton State College
650 College Drive
Dalton, Georgia 30720
(706) 272-4444
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