Members,

Look at sentence A below:

               A. Smith cut himself with a knife.

Even though "himself" "re-names" the subject, it follows a transitive verb and thus is a direct object. Correct?

Look at sentence B below:

               B. Smith is not himself today.

In this sentence, "himself" follows a copulative verb "is." In most circumstances, "himself" would be a subject complement that again re-names the subject, "Smith."

How do we regard "himself" in sentence B? Is "himself" a subject complement? Or is it to be regarded differently? Or are we dealing in both sentence A and B with a special case?

Your thoughts?

Marshall           
         
My question is 
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To me a participle is a verb form.  In its present form it can be part of a 
progressive aspect in a
verb or act as an adjective.  Less commonly, it could act as a noun; 
however, any word can act
as a noun.

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> From:    "Myers, Marshall" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: ATEG Digest - 29 Oct 2011 to 8 Nov 2011 (#2011-194)
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> Scott,
>
> I stand corrected. "Exciting" was first a verb form, then a participle, 
> and=
> then an adjective, correct?
>
> Marshall
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> I would not say that "exciting was an adjective made out of a verb but a
> present participle used as an adjective--a concept that I taught early on.
> When I stated that any word could be used as a noun, I was challenged by a
> student who said, "'The' can't be used as a noun."  I then asked her to=20
> diagram
> her statement.  When she did, the class saw that "The" was a subject. 
> I=20
> then
> asked if "The" was used as a pronoun: they replied almost in unison, 
> "No,=20
> it's
> used as a noun.  The young lady just shook her head and said, "'The' 
> can't=
> =20
> be
> no noun!"  I stated that she was quite right that 'the' could not be a 
> noun=
> ;=20
> it
> could, however, be used as a noun--as we clearly saw from the diagram.  I
> never did convince her and, on the final exam, a similar response took her
> exam grade from a C to a D=3D--lowering her final average from a C to a 
> C-.
> She complained; however, we had few, if any, options at that time on
> determining final grades.
>
> Scott Catledge
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>> Dear List,
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>> How would you describe "exciting" in the following sentence?
>>
>> <What had been exciting gave her a feeling of dazed helplessness.>
>>
>> How would you explain your reasoning to 7th graders?
>>
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>> Thanks,
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>> <html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff;=20
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>> serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Dear List,</div><div><br></div><div>How would=
> =20
>> you describe "exciting" in the following=20
>> sentence?</div><div><br></div><div>&lt;What had been exciting gave her a=
> =20
>> feeling of dazed helplessness.&gt;</div><div><br></div><div>How would 
>> you=
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>> Date:    Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:49:32 +0000
>> From:    "Spruiell, William C" <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>
>> Scott --
>>
>> I'd say it was an adjective, of the type that's made out of a verb (if 
>> th=
> e=20
>> =3D
>> class has talked in some way about participles, with or without the term=
> =20
>> ac=3D
>> tually being used). You can put "very" in front of it easily, which=20
>> support=3D
>> s the idea that it's an adjective or adverb, and you can rule out adverb=
> =20
>> fa=3D
>> irly easily too (it's not movable, you should be able to say 
>> "excitingly"=
> =20
>> t=3D
>> here if it were an adverb, etc.). If the class hasn't talked about 
>> verb=20
>> for=3D
>> ms being used as adjectives, maybe this would be a good place to bring 
>> it=
> =20
>> u=3D
>> p. You can nudge the word verbwards by adding something interpretable 
>> onl=
> y=20
>> =3D
>> as an object: "What had been exciting everyone now just made them=20
>> confused"=3D
>> (but then the "very" test bombs).
>>
>> If you're talking about grammatical role, it's a subject complement 
>> insid=
> e=20
>> =3D
>> a wh-clause acting as subject=3D85 but I was guessing that seventh grade=
> =20
>> prob=3D
>> ably hasn't focused much on nominal clauses and embedding.
>>
>> --- Bill Spruiell
>>
>> From: Scott Woods <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>> Reply-To: ATEG English Grammar=20
>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:ATEG@LISTSE=3D
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>> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:59:33 -0800
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>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]
>> HIO.EDU>>
>> Subject: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>
>> Dear List,
>>
>> How would you describe "exciting" in the following sentence?
>>
>> <What had been exciting gave her a feeling of dazed helplessness.>
>>
>> How would you explain your reasoning to 7th graders?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Scott Woods
>> To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web 
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>> Date:    Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:54:59 +0000
>> From:    "Myers, Marshall" <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>> I concur with Bill.
>>
>> "Interesting" and "boring" are also seen as "exciting" is.
>>
>> Marshall
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar=20
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]
>> OHIO.EDU] On Behalf Of Spruiell, William C
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:50 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>
>> Scott --
>>
>> I'd say it was an adjective, of the type that's made out of a verb (if 
>> th=
> e=20
>> =3D
>> class has talked in some way about participles, with or without the term=
> =20
>> ac=3D
>> tually being used). You can put "very" in front of it easily, which=20
>> support=3D
>> s the idea that it's an adjective or adverb, and you can rule out adverb=
> =20
>> fa=3D
>> irly easily too (it's not movable, you should be able to say 
>> "excitingly"=
> =20
>> t=3D
>> here if it were an adverb, etc.). If the class hasn't talked about 
>> verb=20
>> for=3D
>> ms being used as adjectives, maybe this would be a good place to bring 
>> it=
> =20
>> u=3D
>> p. You can nudge the word verbwards by adding something interpretable 
>> onl=
> y=20
>> =3D
>> as an object: "What had been exciting everyone now just made them=20
>> confused"=3D
>> (but then the "very" test bombs).
>>
>> If you're talking about grammatical role, it's a subject complement 
>> insid=
> e=20
>> =3D
>> a wh-clause acting as subject... but I was guessing that seventh grade=20
>> prob=3D
>> ably hasn't focused much on nominal clauses and embedding.
>>
>> --- Bill Spruiell
>>
>> From: Scott Woods <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>> Reply-To: ATEG English Grammar=20
>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:ATEG@LISTSE=3D
>> RV.MUOHIO.EDU>>
>> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:59:33 -0800
>> To: ATEG English Grammar=20
>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]
>> HIO.EDU>>
>> Subject: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>
>> Dear List,
>>
>> How would you describe "exciting" in the following sentence?
>>
>> <What had been exciting gave her a feeling of dazed helplessness.>
>>
>> How would you explain your reasoning to 7th graders?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Scott Woods
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>> Date:    Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:54:40 -0500
>> From:    MARTHA KOLLN <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>
>> --=3D-5Be6YINi0jrOI42vD6hO
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>> Another adjective test besides "very":  "more exciting.
>>
>> Martha
>>
>> On Tue, Nov  8, 2011 02:54 PM, "Myers, Marshall" 
>> <[log in to unmask]>=
> =20
>> wrote:
>>>
>> Scott,
>>>
>>>I concur with Bill.
>>>
>>>"Interesting" and "boring" are also seen as
>>>"exciting" is.
>>>
>>>Marshall
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
>>>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Spruiell, William C
>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:50 PM
>>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>>Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>>
>>>Scott --
>>>
>>>I'd say it was an adjective, of the type that's made out of a verb (if 
>>>th=
> e
>>>class has talked in some way about participles, with or without the term
>>>actually being used). You can put "very" in front of it easily,
>>>which supports the idea that it's an adjective or adverb, and you can 
>>>rul=
> e=20
>>>out
>>>adverb fairly easily too (it's not movable, you should be able to say
>>>"excitingly" there if it were an adverb, etc.). If the class
>>>hasn't talked about verb forms being used as adjectives, maybe this 
>>>would=
> =20
>>>be a
>>>good place to bring it up. You can nudge the word verbwards by adding=20
>>>something
>>>interpretable only as an object: "What had been exciting everyone now 
>>>jus=
> t
>>>made them confused" (but then the "very" test bombs).
>>>
>>>If you're talking about grammatical role, it's a subject complement 
>>>insid=
> e=20
>>>a
>>>wh-clause acting as subject... but I was guessing that seventh grade=20
>>>probably
>>>hasn't focused much on nominal clauses and embedding.
>>>
>>>--- Bill Spruiell
>>>
>>>From: Scott Woods <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>Reply-To: ATEG English Grammar
>>><[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:59:33 -0800
>>>To: ATEG English Grammar
>>><[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>>Subject: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>>
>>>Dear List,
>>>
>>>How would you describe "exciting" in the following sentence?
>>>
>>><What had been exciting gave her a feeling of dazed helplessness.>
>>>
>>>How would you explain your reasoning to 7th graders?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>
>>>Scott Woods
>>>To join or leave this LISTSERV list, please visit the list's web 
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>> Martha Kolln
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>> <div>Another adjective test besides "very": &nbsp;"more
>> exciting.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Martha<br><br>On 
>> Tue,=20
>> Nov  8,
>> 2011 02:54 PM, <b>"Myers, Marshall" &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;</b>
>> wrote:<br><blockquote id=3D"quoted_response" style=3D"padding-left: 3px;
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>> #000;">
>> <pre>
>> Scott,
>>
>> I concur with Bill.
>>
>> "Interesting" and "boring" are also seen as
>> "exciting" is.
>>
>> Marshall
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Spruiell, William C
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:50 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>
>> Scott --
>>
>> I'd say it was an adjective, of the type that's made out of a verb (if 
>> th=
> e
>> class has talked in some way about participles, with or without the term
>> actually being used). You can put "very" in front of it easily,
>> which supports the idea that it's an adjective or adverb, and you can 
>> rul=
> e=20
>> out
>> adverb fairly easily too (it's not movable, you should be able to say
>> "excitingly" there if it were an adverb, etc.). If the class
>> hasn't talked about verb forms being used as adjectives, maybe this 
>> would=
> =20
>> be a
>> good place to bring it up. You can nudge the word verbwards by adding=20
>> something
>> interpretable only as an object: "What had been exciting everyone now 
>> jus=
> t
>> made them confused" (but then the "very" test bombs).
>>
>> If you're talking about grammatical role, it's a subject complement 
>> insid=
> e=20
>> a
>> wh-clause acting as subject... but I was guessing that seventh grade=20
>> probably
>> hasn't focused much on nominal clauses and embedding.
>>
>> --- Bill Spruiell
>>
>> From: Scott Woods=20
>> &lt;[log in to unmask]&lt;mailto:[log in to unmask]&gt;
>> Reply-To: ATEG English Grammar
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>> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:59:33 -0800
>> To: ATEG English Grammar
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>> Subject: grammar question--verb v. participle
>>
>> Dear List,
>>
>> How would you describe "exciting" in the following sentence?
>>
>> &lt;What had been exciting gave her a feeling of dazed helplessness.&gt;
>>
>> How would you explain your reasoning to 7th graders?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Scott Woods
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>> Date:    Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:57:12 +0000
>> From:    "Myers, Marshall" <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: grammar question--verb v. participle
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