Marty,
Thanks for healthy dose of reality. This is why I'd like to see principles for terminology rather than any list of terms, which I don't think anyone would find fully acceptable. Certainly what is currently taught must be given respect, even if we might try to change some of it. Teachers still have to follow existing curricula.
Herb
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From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar on behalf of Marty Sierra-Perry
Sent: Sat 7/8/2006 8:50 AM
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Subject: Re: ATEG conference, Scope and Sequence project
ATEGers,
I wish that I were able to attend this conference. I have been reading
the listserve for a few years, and I have a great deal of respect for
those of you who actively participate in discussion on this list. I was
fortunate to attend an all day workshop on grammar at a recent NCTE
convention that included some of the people most active on this list.
With regard to the list, I have noticed an evolution of sorts-- from
esoteric discussions of the finer points of language and usage (which I
do enjoy!) to a more inclusive conversation that invites those of us who
are working with middle and high school students. I also appreciate your
willingness to provide assistance to classroom teachers (novice and
veteran) in approaches to infusing our curriculum with grammar and usage
instruction beyond just naming parts of speech.
As far as terminology goes, please keep in mind the varying degree of
exposure to teaching grammar of classroom teachers. Know that many
teachers rely heavily on the text provided to them by the district (or
even state). Some districts, like my own, expect teachers to teach
specific grammatical terms, identification, and to some extent their
application in real writing. Our students are tested after each six
weeks of the quarter to ensure that instruction has occurred and
learning is in process.
I look forward to seeing what ATEG's Scope and Sequence looks like, and
its ease in interfacing with current district scope and sequence. I wish
you well in your much needed endeavor.
Sincerely,
Ms. Marty Sierra-Perry
Stahlke, Herbert F.W. wrote:
>Craig,
>
>Count me in. I won't be at the ATEG conference, though. I'll be at the biennial St. Olaf Conference on Theology, Music, and the Arts instead, followed by a couple of weeks at the cottage.
>
>Herb
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar on behalf of Craig Hancock
>Sent: Thu 7/6/2006 9:44 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: ATEG conference, Scope and Sequence project
>
>Herb,
> Can we sign you up for the working group?
>
>Craig>
>
>
>I support Ed's concern over terminology. Perhaps there needs to be a
>
>
>>working group that will look not simply at terminology but at the
>>principles underlying choice of terminology. We've all got our (least)
>>favorite terms (I don't like "gerund" for English), and if we have some
>>agreed upon principles for choosing terms we might make some progress at
>>it. I think what I've read of the scope and sequence discussion bodes
>>well for developing such principles. I don't suggest that we impose a set
>>of terms; rather that we make a principled set available.
>>
>>Herb
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar on behalf of Craig
>>Hancock
>>Sent: Thu 7/6/2006 4:08 PM
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: ATEG conference, Scope and Sequence project
>>
>>Ed,
>> I think that's a very reasonable question to ask. Should we go with
>>more traditional terminology (like gerund) or for a revised
>>understanding? Uniform terminology is one issue and what we choose is
>>another.
>> Before the conference, I'll be getting materials from England (NATE
>>curriculum documents), and I'll bring them with me. (I'll also have
>>ordering information if people want their own copies.)>I believe they
>>have already addressed that issue; it will be interesting to see their
>>choices.
>>
>>Craig
>>
>>
>>Craig,
>>
>>
>>> Is the "scope" question going to deal with what terminology should
>>>be used, or is that problem going to be left wide open? In one of the
>>>two last issues of the ATEG journal, I noted that "gerund" does not
>>>appear to be an acceptable term.
>>>Thanks,
>>>Ed
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