Bruce,
     I would agree that "coming to see Spot in an activity" is a good 
way to explain it.
    In "I see that spot ran," Halliday would say that it has shifted 
from act to fact, and "see" is now more cognition than perception. 
(Compare: "I see that the stock market is up again today." )
    Compare "I saw the man standing over there," as an answer to "which 
man did you see," with
                     "I saw the man standing over there" as an answer to 
"What did you see the man doing?"
         I think the first is adjectival (narrowing the category down), 
the second just a subject bearing clause.  Discourse context will have 
some bearing on it.

Craig


On 3/7/2011 1:15 PM, Bruce Despain wrote:
>
> We can see a situation: (1) I see that Spot is running. (content clause on stilts as direct object)
> We can see the object itself: (2) I see Spot. (name as direct object on main line)
> The other constructions seem to be blends of these two.
>
> A) The object in an activity: (3) I see Spot over there running around. (participial phrase modifying Spot, curved line descending from direct object)
> When "see" does not have an adverbial modifier, the participial phrase modifying Spot is involved (B):
> B) An object and its objective complement: (4) I see Spot running around. (curved line on stilts in own slot)
>
> We could force a different direct object:  (5) I see a running around by Spot over there.  (gerund phrase, stepped line on stilts in own slot with agent prepositional phrase descending from it)
>
> The closest we can come to the sentence in question seems to be the one in (4).  But this "running" is adjectival and an infinitive "run" is nounal.  The conclusion seems to be that "I see Spot run" must be two nouns, the first being the object and the second its objective complement in the form of an infinitive.  To me an argument that makes "Spot run" some sort of compound noun or variation of (1) or (2) is not as helpful as seeing it as a variation of the objective complement.  This would be analogous to "Running made Spot tired," or "Barking made him a nuisance," though it has the meaning of "coming to perceive s.t. in an activity" rather than "causing s.t. to become s.t."
>
> Bruce
>
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> Subject: Re: 22nd ATEG Conference Keynote Speakers: Claarification Please
> Date:         Mon, 7 Mar 2011 09:35:55 -0600
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> I agree with T.J.  "See Spot to run" doesn't make sense to me.
>
> "Spot run" looks to me like a direct object.
>
> I see something.  What is it?  Spot running.
>
> What do you want me to see?  Spot run.
>
>
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> Please
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> I'd tend to agree with Martha on this. I see it as the following:
>    [You] see spot [to] run.
> In this scenario, "Spot" is the direct object and "run" is the objective
> complement.
> Kathleen
>
> On Mon, 7 Mar 2011 06:15:26 -0600
>    "T. J. Ray"<[log in to unmask]>  wrote:
>> Enlightenment sought with explanation of "See Spot run."
>>
>> I'm unable to see that this sentence contains an objective complement.
>> It  does contain a direct object:  "Spot run," an infinitive phrase.  I
>> see no  objective complement.  "Spot" serves as the subject of the
>> infinitive  "run."  Why would the phrase not appear on a single line
>> that might  be raised over the direct object slot?
>>
>> tj
>>
>>
>>>
>>> The major change I've made is on the main line when there's an object
>>> complement, such as "See Spot run" or "I consider diagrams useful."
>>> In the
>>> original R&K, the object complement comes between the verb and the
>>> direct  object on the main line, with a line slanting toward the
>>> object. In my  version, the words on the main line keep the order in
>>> the sentence:
>>> I | consider | diagrams \ useful.
>>> In "See Spot run," the "run" would be on a pedestal in that last slot
>>> to  indicate its form as an infinitive, with a line attached to it for
>>> the  understood "to."
>>
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