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"Stahlke, Herbert F.W." <[log in to unmask]>
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This brings to mind the DC flap about four years ago over "niggardly".  I use the example, with copies of newspaper stories and reactions by people like Andrew Young, and still some of my students think the word is racist.  Folk etymologies are like myths, highly treasured and unassailable without considerable cost to the assailant.  But it's still worth defending truth against folly.

Herb 


Kathleen,
 
Holy Crap (I hope no one is offended)!
 
Do we need to redefine "academic freedom" as well? What is happening to the open mind of our universities?
 
Is this a regional problem, or are others in different locations experiencing similar brick walls? It's very curious that you brought this up now; on Wednesday, I was at a welcoming for the Arts and Sciences department of the State University where I adjunct (can I use this noun as a verb?), and attended a "futures" meeting, where we discussed (among other things) academic freedom, new fascism, and related issues.
 
Too much junk to worry about!
 
  <http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/11.gif>  Good luck,
 
Paul

"Kathleen M. Ward" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I was actually hoping that someone would ask, because it all seems so bizarre to me, even after several years.  There are moments when I doubt my sanity; and this was one.

Background:

Picnic day is UC Davis' "open house" in April.  Many departments put on displays and demonstrations and the general public is invited.  It started as an agricultural school, so there are odd moments like the sheep herding dog competition.


Some of the minority students on campus objected to the name, saying that the word "picnic" referred to slave auctions (as in "pick Nick"). I know that if this were the derivation of the term, no one could use it in good conscience. 

However, that does not seem to be the case.  The etymology of the word is not as clear as it might be, but it does not show up before 1800 as an English-speaking custom and the word shows up in France, Germany, and Sweden earlier.  It's an unlikely history for a word referring to American slave auctions. 

I wrote a letter to the editor of the student newspaper, pointing out the derivation of the word, indicating it had nothing to do with slavery (or even, in the first instances, with the US) and saying, as gently as I could, that, since we were at an institution of higher education, it behooved us to ascertain the accuracy of our contentions, especially since this is something that is quite easy to check. 

The aftermath was not pretty.  I got some very nasty e-mail (as well as a few supporters, but fewer than you'd expect) and I think I was put on some sort of informal "watch" list for some time.  And the students were not mollified: they still saw Picnic Day as a "celebration of white culture."  They were also not convinced, preferring their version of the etymology. 

So I succeeded in offending a number of people, getting myself into trouble, and not convincing anyone. 

I say again to Martha and Bob:  be careful.  It's not reality that gets you, necessarily. 

KMW



Your response to Martha Kolln on "rule of thumb" has gotten me curious about "picnic day."  How is that ppotentially offensive?  I expect others on the list might be curious, too.


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From:   Kathleen M. Ward

Reply To:       Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
Sent:   Thursday, August 26, 2004 9:32 AM
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Subject:        Re: Rule of Thumb


I've heard this and think it's probably folk etymology.  The OED
certainly has no evidence associating "rule of thumb" with
wife-beating.  The first citation in 1697--well past any "medieval"
rules about sticks.  And none of the citations has any reference that
could be associated with wife beating.  All relate to the notion of a
rule that is based on practice rather than theory.


However, my feeling is that enough people have heard of this folk
etymology to be offended by it. When I used the term in passing in
class, people objected. They may be wrong, but they are offended.
And telling them  that they are wrong does not make them less
offended.


Let me tell you about my defence the name of "Picnic Day" (a campus
tradition) some time.  It wasn't pretty.


KMW


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>A reader of "Understanding English Grammar'" has asked Bob Funk, my
>co-author, and me to delete all references to "rules of thumb" in our
>book.  It came as a surprise to both of us that the term was
>offensive.  It turns out, however, that the so-called rule has its
>origin in the size of the stick that a husband could use when he beat
>his wife!  I'm not sure how long ago that rule applied in  its
>original state; and I'm also not convinced that anyone using the term
>makes that connection.  I do see the term frequently in books like
>ours.
>
>I'd appreciate any opinions as to the merits of this objection.
>
>Martha
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