These publishers keep buying each other and changing names, but I'm pretty certain that the Allyn and Bacon printing I have is now the same as the Longman, which I think bought out Allyn & Bacon.
Larry
Larry Beason
Associate Professor & Composition Director
Dept. of English, 240 HUMB
Univ. of South Alabama
Mobile AL 36688
(251) 460-7861
>>> John Dews-Alexander <[log in to unmask]> 03/25/09 9:47 PM >>>
The copy I have of *Grammar in the Classroom* (1990) by Mark Lester is
published by Macmillan Publishing Company, a Simon & Schuster Company.
However, it seems to be out of print.
It appears that he has a newer text called *Grammar and Usage in the
Classroom* (2000) that is published by Longman. Perhaps this is the same
text but revised and updated (and here I am gabbing on about an out of print
text all this time, tsk tsk).
Larry, I don't see a Lester grammar text published by Allyn and Bacon. Am I
missing one? If so, I'd love to look at it!
John Alexander
On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Larry Beason <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> The publisher is Allyn and Bacon.
>
> Larry Beason
> Associate Professor & Composition Director
> Dept. of English, 240 HUMB
> Univ. of South Alabama
> Mobile AL 36688
> (251) 460-7861
>
> >>> "Castilleja, Janet" <[log in to unmask]> 03/24/09 3:54 PM >>>
> I looked for his book as possible text since I don't like the book I am
> using, but I couldn't find it. Who publishes it?
>
> Thanks
>
> Janet
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Larry Beason
> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:39 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Lester's text in the classroom (was: Phrasal Verb Overview)
>
> I'm a little biased because I've co-authored a grammar handbook with
> Mark Lester, but I've used his Grammar in the Classroom for many years
> and found it effective as well. I can tell you that indeed he wrote it
> so that it would match pretty well with traditional grammar instruction,
> though he also adds various twists on it.
>
> One problem deals with a few production errors in terms of typos, esp in
> the answer key. Not all the corrections he made were actually put into
> the book, even in a printing that came out a couple of years ago.
>
> Larry Beason
>
> Larry Beason
> Associate Professor & Composition Director
> Dept. of English, 240 HUMB
> Univ. of South Alabama
> Mobile AL 36688
> (251) 460-7861
>
> >>> "Spruiell, William C" <[log in to unmask]> 03/24/09 11:52 AM >>>
> John,
>
>
>
> I've used Lester's book a number of times in a course here for future
> English teachers. Overall, I'd say there's one major problem with it,
> but otherwise it's extremely good. The problem is that he doesn't make a
> clear form/function distinction. I'm not sure why he doesn't - it could
> be that he's trying to stick to the K-12 school grammar tradition, which
> is understandable, but the lack of that distinction is one of the things
> that constantly causes problems for anyone trying to teach the material
> ("You said only nouns could be plural, but in 'accounts receivable,' the
> adjective is").
>
>
>
> The book is so good in other respects that I've continued to use it,
> using handouts to deal with the form/function distinction. But, of
> course, then the students get annoyed because I'm disagreeing with the
> textbook, and I get annoyed with them because the last thing future
> teachers should do is view a textbook (or their instructor's comments!)
> as Holy Writ.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> Bill Spruiell
>
>
>
> From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Dews-Alexander
> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 8:00 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Phrasal Verb Overview
>
>
>
> Greetings, ATEGers!
>
>
>
> Someone (I believe it was Herb) recently suggested a book to me: Mark
> Lester's (1990) Grammar in the Classroom. I'm not sure why I haven't
> discovered this book before, but I quite like it and would suggest it to
> anyone reviewing grammar texts. Even if you can't use it in your
> classroom, you and/or your students might enjoy knowing about it as a
> reference text. I find Lester's writing to be straightforward and
> uncluttered. Has anyone actually used this as a classroom text for
> teachers-in-training? If so, I'd be interested to hear about your
> experiences.
>
>
>
> I went to the text specifically to find some more information on phrasal
> verbs, information that wasn't overly technical for non-linguistic
> students but also not overly simplified so as to ignore descriptive
> facts. I thought I'd share here a few of the main points about phrasal
> verbs that Lester includes.
>
>
>
> * Lester suggests that phrasal verbs are part of Latin and
> Germanic languages' process of creating new words by adding prepositions
> (functional words) to verb stems. Latin languages tended to add the
> preposition to the beginning of the verb stem with Germanic languages
> adding them to the end. (example, "devour" from "de-" (down) and "voro"
> (swollow) in Latin)
> * When English forms a new word by adding a preposition to the
> beginning of a verb stem (example, "bypass" "offset"), it is more
> quickly and easily recognized as a new word; people forget that it used
> to be a phrasal verb/verb +preposition combination because,
> orthographically, it is written without a space. However, English tends
> to leave the space when the preposition is added to the end of the verb
> stem. (example, "give up")
> * While a sentence like "I give up" may look like a pronoun, a
> tensed verb, and an adverbial preposition, it is in fact a pronoun and a
> phrasal verb (note: I always learned to call the preposition that has
> become attached to a verb in such a way a "particle," but Lester
> continues to call it a preposition, which doesn't bother me at all).
> Lester points out a fun test for phrasal verbs -- can you replace the
> unit with a single word (almost always of Latin origin) and retain the
> meaning? In this case, "I give up" becomes "I surrender." (Lester points
> out the irony in the fact that "surrender" was once itself a phrasal
> verb in Latin!)
> * Phrasal verbs can be transitive; this can mark the difference
> between a phrasal verb and a verb+preposition combo even more. For
> example,
>
> John turned out the light. (Noun subject+phrasal verb+noun
> phrase object)
>
> John turned at the light. (Noun subject+verb+adverbial
> prepositional phrase)
>
>
>
> Say the sentences out loud and notice the stress. In phrasal
> verbs the preposition is stressed while it is not in the PP.
>
> * Phrasal verbs can have more than one preposition/particle: look
> down on, talk back to, walk out on, etc.
> * Lester points out that phrasal verbs were dumped from
> traditional school grammars because the word "preposition" in Latin
> literally means "to place before," and it was reasoned that prepositions
> couldn't be connected to verbs if they came after them. Sometimes
> phrasal verbs were treated as idioms.
> * Structural linguists have noted the difference between separable
> and inseparable phrasal verbs.Separable phrasal verbs have prepositions
> that can be moved to a position after the object noun phrase (example,
> "I gave up the game" vs "I gave the game up" or "I gave it up").
> Inseparable phrasal verbs have prepositions that cannot be moved
> (example, "I depend on the income" vs *"I depend the income on" or *"I
> depend it on").
> * As you can see from the above examples, when the object of a
> separable transitive phrasal verb is a pronoun, the movement of the
> preposition is obligatory. You would always say "I gave it up" and never
> *"I gave up it." (I think I would cringe if I heard this avoided with
> some clunky construction like, "Up it is that I gave it.") In this
> sense, it is actually ungrammatical to NOT end a sentence with a
> preposition.
>
> Hope all the grammar nerds enjoy this as much as I did!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> John Alexander
>
> Austin, Texas
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