Like Bill McCleary, I wish Herb luck, but I doubt that he will have it.
As long-time members of this list already know, there is little
agreement about what should be taught even in ATEG. I got into a
discussion of grammar with two of my colleagues, one in English comp,
the other in Tech Writing. Both were stunned when I said that a main
clause includes its subordinate clause(s). Both said I was wrong. When I
asked them what they would do with the sentence "What he knows is what
he has seen." they told me that neither "What he knows" nor "what he has
seen" is a clause.
     Of course, if the survey I took in Seattle still holds,
approximately half the members of ATEG do not believe that subordinate
clauses are part(s) of main clauses, and when I have asked for
discussion of this question on this list, my question has been ignored.
If this group cannot agree on what (specifically) should be taught, I
don't see how we can expect people who are not very interested in
grammar to listen to us.
Ed V.

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