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Phil Bralich <[log in to unmask]>
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Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar <[log in to unmask]>
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Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:33:24 -0700
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And this is the point that grammar advocates need to make.  You cannot do s/v agreement without being introduced to subjects and predicates, internal clauses (the man from whom mary got the books is/are here), person, number, (throw in gender), participles, gerunds, a little on tenses -- Each of these beg questions in other areas.  In short the whole of traditional grammar is required.  This is also true of parallel structure, the correct use of passive and so on.  The whole is hopelessly interlocked and when you are recommended to teach "just what is necessary" for anyone of these, that means the whole of traditional grammar.  This is why the NCTE position and the whole of the war against grammar so phenominally stupid.  Its as those the whole field were taken over by C- students looking to avoid work.  

Phil Bralich

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>From: Fay Sweney <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Jul 24, 2006 8:22 PM
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>Subject: Re: Traditional Grammar
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>The SAT always includes subject-verb agreement problems, just as Nancy 
>Tuten's posting illustrates.  One type is like Nancy's example, with 
>prepositional phrases between the subject and verb which have have objects 
>that are different in number than the subject.  In another type there is a 
>delayed subject, as in this practice question from "The Official SAT, a 
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