> [please help!  i've tried three different ways to
> unsubscribe....i still have a copy of the initial
> subscribe/unsub page.... following their directions
> wouldnt work...
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> ...to anyone having trouble
> unsubscribing from this list, you have to send the unsub message to the
> listserv admin address using the address you subscribed with as the return
> address.

This is, I think, by far the most common problem with trying
to unsubscribe to the list -- but it's not the ONLY problem.

Folks, please absorb this fact:  there are TWO addresses associated
with this list.  One of them ([log in to unmask])
re-distributes anything sent to it to all subscribers of the Connells
listserv.  Therefore, it's the one you use to post messages for other
people to read.  The other one ([log in to unmask]) is a
command interpreter.  All it does is accept and process commands.
If you send the message "UNSUB CONNELLS" meaning to end your subscription,
you MUST send it to the 'listserv' address for it to have any effect.

However, if the exact form of your email address (that goes out in
your messages as the sender) has changed since you first subscribed,
the UNSUB command won't work.  This is because the listserv takes
the address in the 'Sender' portion of the header and searches for it
in the subscriber list.  If it finds it, it removes that address from
the subscriber list and all is hunky-dory.  If it doesn't find it
(because it still has the old form of your address), it sends you an
error -- and you stay on the list.  And as long as messages sent to the
old form of your address get forwarded to the new form of your address,
you'll continue to get posts.

This DOES happen, because it happened to _me_ the first time I subbed
to this list and then tried to unsub (due to changing employers).
When I subscribed, the 'sender' address that went out with my messages
was [log in to unmask]  By the time I unsubscribed, it had been
changed to [log in to unmask]  I still received messages sent
to the esy.com address, but the REAL address was the gar.esys.com form.
This was beyond my control, but it confused the listserv.  Your only
recourse in this case is to have an administrator manually remove it.

So, remember this address:

   [log in to unmask]

This is Art Jipson's address.  If you have problems unsubscribing,
please mail Art directly and ask him to help you.  The message excerpted
above from John Haramis ([log in to unmask]) seems to imply that he can
remove people from the list manually as well.

Skoal,

Steve