I agree. How about Wednesday morning at 10 am.
On 11/11/11 11:44 PM, "Cheek, Christopher F. Dr." <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:
>We had one discussion as a cohort on Wednesday morning, concerning
>hiring. We took a decision based on that discussion. The decision that we
>took was to request a Lecturer hire for Jody Bates in fiction.
>
>Other ideas are interesting and even opportune, however we have not
>discussed them as a cohort, nor have we voted on them. We need to be very
>clear and united in next Thursday's Department meeting. If there really
>is going to be another proposal then we need to meet again and discuss
>that proposal together with our extant proposal.
>
>
>cris
>
>
>
>On Nov 10, 2011, at 6:28 PM, Goodman, Eric wrote:
>
>> Two items, linked and separate.
>>
>> 1) Kerry just sent along the agenda for the meeting, in which he
>>states
>> that hiring proposals will be coming from all three programs. I know
>> for certain that Mary Fuller is retiring before next year, with Helane
>> Androne (from Middletown) taking over as head of OWP. I believe that
>> Jean Lutz is also planning to retire, quite possibly before next year as
>> well.
>> 2) I've just returned from acting Dean Calahan's presentation to be
>>the
>> Dean, where I spoke to a couple of our colleagues in Lit. I think
>>there
>> would be real support for the idea of a Lit/CW hire, where the watchword
>> in term of the new form that Phyllis has mandate is justifying the hire
>>in
>> terms of need, etc, not just replacement. A new category within ethnic
>> literature would be Indigenous Studies. That couple with someone who
>> could teach one of the genres in CW that we currently have trouble
>> staffing--Creative Nonfiction, Screenwriting, for example--would, in my
>> opinion, stand a good chance of succeeding at the department and college
>> level.
>>
>> Having said that, it would certainly need to be presented as in
>>second
>> place to a lecturer in fiction. But I certainly feel that such a case
>> could and should be made.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On 11/10/11 4:42 PM, "Schloss, David Mr." <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Margaret,
>>>
>>> That's the Right Stuff! See my rant on similar themes, but a mite less
>>> polite. We're drowning rats (or is that, mice?) fighting over crumbs
>>> while the powers that be luxuriate and laugh at us like (greek) gods
>>>for
>>> their sport... I'm glad I'm retiring in 2015. I've had about enough of
>>> this cringing for crumbs, and fighting amongst programs. If we'd only
>>> unionized back when... At least the population supports the unions now.
>>>
>>> Rabble Rouser
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: Miami University Creative Writing Faculty
>>> [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Luongo, Margaret M. Ms.
>>> [[log in to unmask]]
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 4:16 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: Hiring
>>>
>>> So, we are afraid of PW getting the only tenure track hire in the
>>> department, after they repeatedly reassured us last year that they
>>> wouldn't be seeking any tenure-track hires? Maybe we should remind them
>>> of that. It's true Huatong left, but I think everyone knew she was gone
>>> before all of the PW paperwork went through. Not sure about that,
>>>though.
>>> At any rate, they reassured us they wouldn't need to hire any new
>>>faculty
>>> to support their major. They went further, and said that they would
>>>only
>>> allow the major to grow as much as it could be supported by the
>>>resources
>>> they already had.
>>>
>>> We have to propose a tenure track position, so that the department can
>>> rank our request higher than theirs? Isn't it possible that the
>>> department could just vote their proposal down? Or just rank the
>>>lecture
>>> position higher than their tenure-track position? Aren't proposing the
>>> lecture position because we don't think the department will get any
>>> tenure-track hires?
>>>
>>> I see us losing if we propose both a lectureship and this hybrid
>>> position. It doesn't really make sense to say, yes, we need the
>>> lectureship and the hybrid thing. What if we end up with the hybrid
>>> thing? I'm open to discussing this. I just have a lot of questions.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Margaret Luongo
>>> Associate Professor, Creative Writing
>>> Department of English
>>> 356 Bachelor Hall
>>> Oxford, OH 45056
>>> 513-529-5221
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: Miami University Creative Writing Faculty
>>> [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Goodman, Eric
>>> [[log in to unmask]]
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 3:53 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: Hiring
>>>
>>> Ah, I wish I'd known about this. There's been a good deal of
>>>discourse
>>> on the Lit list I've also been reading, and I'm not sure that the two
>>> I've mentioned, a lecturer, and the hybrid, are mutually exclusive.
>>>
>>> Part of the issue, is that there needs to be tenure track positions put
>>> forward by CW, perhaps, and Lit, certainly, otherwise only PW/Comp Rhet
>>> will be proposing one.
>>>
>>> From: "Cheek, Christopher F. Dr."
>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>> Reply-To: Faculty
>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:46:36 -0500
>>> To: Faculty
>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>> Subject: Fwd: Hiring
>>>
>>> imho and in support of Margaret and David here, i did inform the LIt
>>> cohort of our decision yesterday morning . in response to Kaara's
>>>question
>>>
>>> x
>>>
>>>
>>> c
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> From: cris cheek <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>> Subject: Re: Hiring
>>> Date: November 10, 2011 2:35:26 PM EST
>>> To: "Peterson, Kaara L. Dr."
>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>> Cc:
>>> "[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>"
>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>
>>> Breaking cover here, as one who is on the Lit elist and a member of the
>>> CW cohort .
>>>
>>> i can confirm that we decided at our CW cohort meeting yesterday
>>>morning
>>> to press forwards with a request to convert the VAP position, currently
>>> occupied by Jody Bates, into a lectureship - IF we can possibly do
>>> so. We have also been advised that it might be easier to get another
>>>VAP
>>> . . . but i cannot speak to that.
>>>
>>> Under those circumstances it makes good sense for Literature to
>>>identify
>>> its most pressing need. As an insider - outsider to the core Literature
>>> faculty (i teach Lit classes but that is not my foregrounded profile) i
>>> would support the needs outlined by Tobias here.
>>>
>>> In an ideal world a hybrid hire might seem attractive. However, this is
>>> far from an ideal world.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> cris
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 10, 2011, at 2:11 PM, Peterson, Kaara L. Dr. wrote:
>>>
>>> To follow up on Andrew and Tobias, are we even absolutely certain what
>>>CW
>>> as a group's priorities are for this hire? Are *they* looking for a
>>> specific sub-genre, a tenure-track person, etc.?
>>>
>>> If the point is primarily to get a hire out of the dean for the good of
>>> the whole dept but really primarily for CW, then couldn't we make a
>>> stronger, united case for a hire if CW tells us first what they want
>>> prioritized and then we just simply throw all of our support behind it,
>>> benefitting as we may?
>>>
>>> all best, Kaara
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: English Dept Literature Faculty
>>> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
>>> On Behalf Of Hebard, Andrew Dr.
>>> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:40 PM
>>> To:
>>>[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Re: Hiring
>>>
>>> I also think that a hybrid position would be great, but am also a bit
>>> worried about how we are going to cover periods that the current
>>> organization of our major requires us to cover. A joint CW/Lit hire
>>>means
>>> that we are likely to hire someone working on 20th century literature,
>>>a
>>> period that we have pretty well covered. I am not saying that we
>>> shouldn't do this, but am wondering how it addresses our current
>>>staffing
>>> needs in literature.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>> On 11/10/11 1:29 PM, "Morgan, Susan J. Dr."
>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I absolutely agree with Mary Jean about the best shot.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: English Dept Literature Faculty
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Corbett, Mary Jean
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:16 PM
>>> To:
>>>[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Re: Hiring
>>>
>>> I think "they" stand a much better chance if they include "us" in a
>>>more
>>> than perfunctory way...a cross-program hire is perhaps our collective
>>>best
>>> shot!
>>> mjc
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/10/11 1:10 PM, "Kaara Peterson"
>>> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I can vote for a CW hire still taking priority this year, however they
>>> want to
>>> frame it for their hire. If we benefit, great.
>>>
>>> all best, Kaara
>>>
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: English Dept Literature Faculty
>>> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Morgan, Susan J. Dr.
>>> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 12:50 PM
>>> To:
>>>[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Re: Hiring
>>>
>>> Hi Tobias and everyone,
>>>
>>> Please do read that ³template² about hiring from Phyllis via Kerry,
>>> that I
>>> sent earlier.
>>> It is explicit that replacing someone will not be an effective
>>> argument, and
>>> that we need to produce a new statement, with some kind of evidence.
>>>
>>> I would say that so far we have, in order:
>>> CW/ethnic American literature, particularly Latino/a or
>>>African/American
>>> literature (not exactly as a subfield, but Tobais¹s point is good).
>>> Long eighteenth century, with transatlantic
>>> Medieval
>>>
>>> And I plan to submit something Monday. Moreover, surely the dept.
>>> meeting is
>>> for discussion, not everything already set beforehand.
>>> Susan
>>>
>>> From: English Dept Literature Faculty
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>> On Behalf Of Menely, Tobias Coyote Dr.
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 11:31 AM
>>> To:
>>>[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: Re: Hiring
>>>
>>> I would argue against overly specific hybrid positions. I think it's
>>> better to
>>> identify a broad and legible field/period and then add desirable
>>> subfields
>>> instead of boxing ourselves in with an overly specific combination. For
>>> example, the number of people doing 'transatlantic' eighteenth century
>>> studies
>>> is much smaller than the number of people working in the long
>>>eighteenth
>>> century, so why not seek a hire in the eighteenth century, with
>>> Romanticism
>>> and/or transatlanticism as a desirable subfield? Similarly, why not
>>> search for
>>> a fiction writer, but add as a desirable subfield ethnic American
>>> literature?
>>>
>>> Tobias
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 10, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Corbett, Mary Jean wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> That¹s what I had in mind, esp the two former...mjc
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/10/11 9:46 AM, "Morgan, Susan J. Dr."
>>>
>>><[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]><x-msg://141/morgansj@mu
>>>oh
>>> io.edu>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric has just pointed out that some sort of lit/cw hire would be
>>> fabulous if
>>> the field were latina/a or african american lit, perhaps even creative
>>> non-fiction, though the latter may be being too precise. S
>>
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