Thanks for the clarification.  I see what you mean.  The although clause
really is misleading.  I WAS being obtuse.

On Wed, 31 May 2000, Bob Yates wrote:

> David,
>         Actually it is not a good definition of a passive sentence.
>
> David D Mulroy wrote:
>
> > At the risk of seeming very ignorant or obtuse -- I am puzzled by Bob
> > Yates's citation of the definition of the passive voice from the web site,
> > Plain English.  It seems to me to be a good definition, especially
> > the statement that the passive voice in English is normally created with a
> > form of BE and a past participle.
> > > How do you identify passive sentences?
> > >
> > >  Passive sentences have two basic features, although both do not appear
> > > in
> > >  every passive sentence.
> > >
> > >       A past participle (generally with "ed" on the end); and
> > >
> > >       A form of the verb "to be."
>
> The only way the subordinate clause beginning with "although" can be
> correct
> is if the get-passive gets identified as a passive construction, too.  I
> don't think that passive construction gets defined very frequently in
> the handbooks.
>
> If we consider that the "passive sentence" means a tense clause in
> passive voice, then you need BOTH a form of the verb BE and the past
> participle.
>
> Notice that under this definition, a perfect construction could be
> identified as a passive construction as well as a progressive
> construction.
>
> Bob Yates, Central Missouri State University
>