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Thanks, Ron, for these valuable citations. We have so much to learn from
our ESL colleagues. Here are the articles Ron was referring to. 

Lamendella, John T. The Neurofunctional Basis of Pattern Practice. TESOL
Quarterly, Vol. 13, No. 1. (Mar., 1979), pp. 5-19.

Selinker, L, and J. T. Lamendella. 1978. Two perspectives on
fossilization in interlanguage
learning. Interlanguage Studies Bulletin 3, 2+3.

I agree also that recently trained teachers will often cite "best
practices" or "research" as the basis for their rejection of grammar in
the writing classroom. Some may even know enough to refer to "Hillocks"
as a source. But what is doubtful is whether any of them will know what
a flimsy evidence base that research was founded on (3 studies). 

The myth has been created and successfully dispersed throughout the
land, and, like Johnson grass, it is well-nigh impossible to get rid of
it.

Tim
 
Timothy D. Hadley, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor of Professional Writing
English Department
Missouri State University
901 S. National Ave.
Springfield, MO 65897
office 417.836.5332, fax 417.836.4226
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-----Original Message-----
From: Assembly for the Teaching of English Grammar
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ronald Sheen
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 6:02 AM
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Subject: Re: "Infiltration" vs. "isolated drills"

May I suggest, Michael, that whenever confronted by anyone claiming that

'best practice' proves something or other, it would be worthwhile asking

him/her to ask for the reference for the related publication detailing
the 
study.

I suspect that you will receive no substantive reply and this, because 
frequently, teachers who buy into the latest 'fad' are repeating the
latest 
dogma, mantra-like, without having investigated and evaluated the
related 
research.

Further, when anyone uses the term 'drills', it is essential to have
them 
define what they mean by the term.   As I have already mentioned
elsewhere, 
if 'drills' is being used to characterise an activity involving no
thinking, 
there is empirical evidence to demonstrate that in terms of language 
learning, it has no effect on cognition.  (I have forgotten the details
but 
the authors are Selinker and Lamendella).  Whenever I encounter the word

'drills', I tend to assume it means mindless repetition but I suppose
that 
this is not necessarily the case.

As to 'isolated', this is a red herring that was exploited in the 90s in

ESL.  What teacher today would attempt to teach any aspect of grammar 
without putting it into practice in some way?

Ron Sheen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Kischner" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 2:32 PM
Subject: "Infiltration" vs. "isolated drills"


This will be old hat to many readers of this list, but I have to unload.

I've volunteered to tutor at my local public middle school.
Yesterday, I went to meet a seventh-grade teacher who said she might
be able to use me in her classroom.   Before talking to her, I sat and
observed a reading lesson she taught.  First the class looked at a
list of "think aloud strategies" strategies for readers and checked
off the ones they use.  Then the lesson turned to one of those
strategies -- "visualizing." The teacher read to the class out of a
Gary Soto book while they followed along in their own copies and then
asked them to talk about things they visualized as they listened to
the passage.  Next they read silently  for twenty-five minutes in
whatever books they were currently reading and wrote down some of the
things they visualized.  It was a well-run class in which most of the
kids remained fairly well engaged.

After class, there was time only for a five-minute conversation with
the teacher.  I said that I would like to tutor especially in the
subjects of writing and language.

"Language?" the teacher asked.

"Sentence structure, for instance," I replied.  "I don't know if you
do anything specific with that."

"Well," the teacher said, "we usually infiltrate those topics into the
actual writing instruction.  Best practices show that drills and such
don't work with seventh graders."

I went home depressed.  So the choice is between "infiltrating" work
on sentence structure - people my age associate the word with the
Vietcong --  and "drills."  How much work we still have to do if many
teachers think those are the only alternatives!

Note that the teacher had just taught a lesson on "visualizing," a
sub-skill of reading.  She didn't rely only on "infiltrating" it ad
hoc into reading instruction.  She thought it worth spending a
dedicated hour on, and she put it into the framework of other reading
strategies.  "Framework" is the word Martha Kolln used in her ATEG
2006 keynote, in which she argued so forcefully that the mini-lesson
proposed by many grammar-in-context proponents can be as "isolated" as
the drills many of these proponents have in mind when they decry
"teaching grammar in isolation."

So we still confront the uphill battle of persuading teachers that
systematic grammar instruction does not mean drills, does not mean
isolation.  I don't know if I'll ever have a chance to make the case
with the teacher I met yesterday.  She was supposed to email me about
days she could use me, and I haven't heard from her yet!

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